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I am not going to watch billions of Videos. Its not entirely ad free, just fewer ads, AFAIK sponsored segments remain so there are still ads, sometimes quite l

by graemep 11mo ago

I am not going to watch billions of Videos. Its not entirely ad free, just fewer ads, AFAIK sponsored segments remain so there are still ads, sometimes quite lengthy ones. $14/month is $168 an year, and if you subscribe to multiple other video services the annual total is going to be quite high.

cyberax 11mo ago
SponsorBlock helps with them.
- graemep 11mo ago
  I do not use it because I do want to support the people I watch. I just skip manually if it is of no interest.
  - cyberax 11mo ago
    I have YT Premium that pays much more than sponsors. That's also why I just use Firefox instead of third party apps to watch YT.
    - Groxx 11mo ago
      essentially every YouTuber I've watched who discussed their financials said that their sponsorships brought in several times more money than all forms of YouTube money. which is a very niche slice, and I have no idea how representative it is in aggregate. but sponsorships happen because they pay well enough to annoy every viewer, not just ones that aren't using the better-paying Premium - they generally are not cheap, to say the least.
      - cyberax 11mo ago
        Linus Tech Tips disclosed their finances: https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/1jjplow/ltt_just_showed_their_revenue_breakdown_and_i_did/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/1jjplow/ltt_... - and their sponsorships are less than the YT ads income. If you look at Premium, it's about 100x more lucrative than regular views. So I'm pretty sure I'm providing more money to creators than the skipped ads.
        Groxx 11mo ago
        To be clear: I completely believe that Premium is a major source for many people. 100%. I just haven't seen many examples of it, outside tubers that have zero sponsorships (because they're small and/or not doing the low-value slightly-shady ones that get spammed everywhere). I'm thrilled that Premium seems to pay relatively well, it's better for everyone to move away from ads where possible. LTT though is a rather significant outlier in terms of subscribers (16.6 million right now). For truly large channels it's reasonable for the equation to be different. And the equation for them really is different. They're a company with ~100 employees¹ and YouTube and video sponsorships came out to just 11.6% (ads AND premium) and 9.2% respectively of their multi-person company income. People claiming "SponsorBlock steals from creators" aren't talking about LTT, they're talking about smaller creators for whom YouTube stuff is a majority of their income. Plus, like. Ads+premium lumped into one. It wouldn't surprise me if premium was lower than sponsorships. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Media_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Media_Group
        cyberax 11mo ago
        I know a couple of other creators, and a YT Premium view for them is about 10x more lucrative than sponsorship+ads. It completely changes if we're talking about non-Premium views.
        Groxx 11mo ago
        I suspect we're in different niches then or something. If ya don't mind sharing / have links handy, do you have any examples? I'm curious what kind of channel it works well for. I can try to hunt mine down, but most of the examples I've had were from a couple years ago, and YouTube's history is rather hard to search for stuff like that :| Not high odds of success.
        cyberax 11mo ago
        These are niche Russian-language channels (@Varlamov, @Max_Katz). They disclosed their finances to drive up Patreon/Youtube subscriptions because Youtube stopped monetization from Russia. I've been trying to find public numbers for English-language channels, but wow. So much slop.
carlosjobim 11mo ago
YouTube is 10x the quality and 10x the quantity than any other video service. As for the ads, YouTube Premium now has built-in sponsor skip. They can't really block sponsored segments, as that is a freedom of speech issue and also something they can't easily determine. Creators can just omit that some product is sponsored.
- hiccuphippo 11mo ago
  Youtube is both 10x and 0.1x the quality, and the official app has no way to filter it. They even removed the feature (downvotes) to let the user filter it. And the proliferation of AI videoslop is only making the 0.1x side larger and larger
- embedding-shape 11mo ago
  > YouTube is 10x the quality and 10x the quantity than any other video service. I guess you could say YouTube surfaces a larger span of quality, from really shit quality to incredible high quality, which I guess is cool. But since they provide zero tools to actually discover the really high quality, and on top of that decide they know better what I want to watch than me (like the subscriptions page not starting with the last published video), does that really matter? > as that is a freedom of speech issue It isn't. Freedom of speech in the US (since Google is based there, and maybe you too?) is about the government placing restrictions, not companies or individuals. As a individual (or company), you're free to limit the speech of anyone who want on your platform, for any reason. You might face public outcry, but it isn't a freedom of speech issue as it's on a private platform in the first place.
  - carlosjobim 11mo ago
    They provide all the tools to discover high quality videos and channels. It's called "like and subscribe". If you use those features, it doesn't take long before YouTube shows you only high quality videos. And there's also the dislike button and "Do not recommend this channel again", if you need. > Freedom of speech in the US... Freedom of speech is a subject which is much larger than the US constitution. I'm not saying YouTube isn't legally allowed to block sponsored segments. I'm saying that they might not want to because they don't want to limit their creators' speech in that matter. Especially considering how easy it would be to side-step. What would be their reason? They've already made it easy to skip sponsored segments.
stronglikedan 11mo ago
sponsored segments are skipped with a single button push, so they are negligible. it also comes with yt music
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by graemep 11mo ago

cyberax 11mo ago

SponsorBlock helps with them.

graemep 11mo ago
I do not use it because I do want to support the people I watch. I just skip manually if it is of no interest.
- cyberax 11mo ago
  I have YT Premium that pays much more than sponsors. That's also why I just use Firefox instead of third party apps to watch YT.
  - Groxx 11mo ago
    essentially every YouTuber I've watched who discussed their financials said that their sponsorships brought in several times more money than all forms of YouTube money. which is a very niche slice, and I have no idea how representative it is in aggregate. but sponsorships happen because they pay well enough to annoy every viewer, not just ones that aren't using the better-paying Premium - they generally are not cheap, to say the least.
    - cyberax 11mo ago
      Linus Tech Tips disclosed their finances: https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/1jjplow/ltt_just_showed_their_revenue_breakdown_and_i_did/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/1jjplow/ltt_... - and their sponsorships are less than the YT ads income. If you look at Premium, it's about 100x more lucrative than regular views. So I'm pretty sure I'm providing more money to creators than the skipped ads.
      - Groxx 11mo ago
        To be clear: I completely believe that Premium is a major source for many people. 100%. I just haven't seen many examples of it, outside tubers that have zero sponsorships (because they're small and/or not doing the low-value slightly-shady ones that get spammed everywhere). I'm thrilled that Premium seems to pay relatively well, it's better for everyone to move away from ads where possible. LTT though is a rather significant outlier in terms of subscribers (16.6 million right now). For truly large channels it's reasonable for the equation to be different. And the equation for them really is different. They're a company with ~100 employees¹ and YouTube and video sponsorships came out to just 11.6% (ads AND premium) and 9.2% respectively of their multi-person company income. People claiming "SponsorBlock steals from creators" aren't talking about LTT, they're talking about smaller creators for whom YouTube stuff is a majority of their income. Plus, like. Ads+premium lumped into one. It wouldn't surprise me if premium was lower than sponsorships. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Media_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Media_Group
        cyberax 11mo ago
        I know a couple of other creators, and a YT Premium view for them is about 10x more lucrative than sponsorship+ads. It completely changes if we're talking about non-Premium views.
        Groxx 11mo ago
        I suspect we're in different niches then or something. If ya don't mind sharing / have links handy, do you have any examples? I'm curious what kind of channel it works well for. I can try to hunt mine down, but most of the examples I've had were from a couple years ago, and YouTube's history is rather hard to search for stuff like that :| Not high odds of success.
        cyberax 11mo ago
        These are niche Russian-language channels (@Varlamov, @Max_Katz). They disclosed their finances to drive up Patreon/Youtube subscriptions because Youtube stopped monetization from Russia. I've been trying to find public numbers for English-language channels, but wow. So much slop.

carlosjobim 11mo ago

YouTube is 10x the quality and 10x the quantity than any other video service. As for the ads, YouTube Premium now has built-in sponsor skip. They can't really block sponsored segments, as that is a freedom of speech issue and also something they can't easily determine. Creators can just omit that some product is sponsored.

hiccuphippo 11mo ago
Youtube is both 10x and 0.1x the quality, and the official app has no way to filter it. They even removed the feature (downvotes) to let the user filter it. And the proliferation of AI videoslop is only making the 0.1x side larger and larger
embedding-shape 11mo ago
> YouTube is 10x the quality and 10x the quantity than any other video service. I guess you could say YouTube surfaces a larger span of quality, from really shit quality to incredible high quality, which I guess is cool. But since they provide zero tools to actually discover the really high quality, and on top of that decide they know better what I want to watch than me (like the subscriptions page not starting with the last published video), does that really matter? > as that is a freedom of speech issue It isn't. Freedom of speech in the US (since Google is based there, and maybe you too?) is about the government placing restrictions, not companies or individuals. As a individual (or company), you're free to limit the speech of anyone who want on your platform, for any reason. You might face public outcry, but it isn't a freedom of speech issue as it's on a private platform in the first place.
- carlosjobim 11mo ago
  They provide all the tools to discover high quality videos and channels. It's called "like and subscribe". If you use those features, it doesn't take long before YouTube shows you only high quality videos. And there's also the dislike button and "Do not recommend this channel again", if you need. > Freedom of speech in the US... Freedom of speech is a subject which is much larger than the US constitution. I'm not saying YouTube isn't legally allowed to block sponsored segments. I'm saying that they might not want to because they don't want to limit their creators' speech in that matter. Especially considering how easy it would be to side-step. What would be their reason? They've already made it easy to skip sponsored segments.

stronglikedan 11mo ago

sponsored segments are skipped with a single button push, so they are negligible. it also comes with yt music

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