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Re: Digg was created by non-hackers. Not true. I am not sure if you have heard of digg's other co-founder Jay Adelson (http://www.spock.com/Jay-Adelson http://

by prakash 19y ago

Re: Digg was created by non-hackers. Not true. I am not sure if you have heard of digg's other co-founder Jay Adelson (http://www.spock.com/Jay-Adelson http://www.spock.com/Jay-Adelson). Jay started Equinix, that does require some technical skill

rms 19y ago
Kevin Rose hired an offshore programmer to write the php for Digg...
- staunch 19y ago
  He did farm out the work to a random person on ELance (for $2k), his name is Owen Byrne. But he's a Canadian I think, so maybe "nearshore" would be more accurate. http://www.elance.com/p/corporate/community/resource-center/elancer-oct-06.html http://www.elance.com/p/corporate/community/resource-center/...
  - vlad 19y ago
    Nearshore is also wrong because there isn't a shore between Canada and the US. The term is "outsourcing" to anyone in the US and Canada. If it's to another continent, then it's "offshoring."
    - SwellJoe 19y ago
      Or, we could stop being xenophobic and call it all outsourcing, and leave "offshoring" to refer to things that have been moved out of the US specifically because doing it on this continent would be illegal or impossible, like gambling, drilling for oil, etc. Hiring someone else to do remote work is agnostic of location (in general). So, the term "offshoring" seems likely intended only to confuse or inflame the reader based on politics rather than facts.
      - vlad 19y ago
        With all due respect for your accomplishments, next time you want to generalize that people are xenophobic, please speak for yourself. Nobody made any value judgements on either word. It's quite clear the word offshoring doesn't make sense for United States companies outsourcing to Canada or Mexico, just like the Germans can't offshore to France. However, Italy can offshore to the United States and vice versa. Maybe I'm wrong about the semantics (people are free to vote the post up or down), but it's not fair to imply that rms, staunch, or I feel there's anything wrong with people who live in other countries.
        SwellJoe 19y ago
        "Maybe I'm wrong about the semantics (people are free to vote the post up or down), but it's not fair to imply that rms, staunch, or I feel there's anything wrong with people who live in other countries." I didn't intend to imply that any of the other comments were xenophobic in nature. It's just a more sensitive area than anyone here would like to admit, and there are political motivations at work in the use of these terms, and by following the lead of xenophobic folks, we might be working for their political ends despite not having those desires ourselves. I'm actually assuming that the vast majority of people here are educated and lacking in bigotry or xenophobia, and based on the number of startups started by non-US natives in the current web 2.0 economy, more likely to be literally "off-shore" than most English-speaking community website contributors. In short, I was merely wanting to point out that by using the word off-shoring, people might be indicating political positions they don't endorse (which is just what anti-immigration and protectionist supporters want). I don't really care what terms folks use, and I'm wholly non-PC. I just know enough to know that there has been a subtle shift on border issues in the US in a direction I don't like at all, and I know that language is a tool that the reactionary new Right uses extremely well. I'm not saying the word "off-shoring" is the reason immigration or import/export issues are about to become a shitstorm in America, but I can't help but think Fox News would rather I use "off-shoring" than "out-sourcing", because "off-shoring", in some Americans minds equates to "non-white, non-American, workers stealing my job". So I'll use "out-sourcing", thanks. Apologies to rms, staunch, or vlad, for any hurt feelings. Just remember that I'm an insensitive clod, and I'm sure you'll feel better. ;-)

by prakash 19y ago

rms 19y ago

Kevin Rose hired an offshore programmer to write the php for Digg...

staunch 19y ago
He did farm out the work to a random person on ELance (for $2k), his name is Owen Byrne. But he's a Canadian I think, so maybe "nearshore" would be more accurate. http://www.elance.com/p/corporate/community/resource-center/elancer-oct-06.html http://www.elance.com/p/corporate/community/resource-center/...
- vlad 19y ago
  Nearshore is also wrong because there isn't a shore between Canada and the US. The term is "outsourcing" to anyone in the US and Canada. If it's to another continent, then it's "offshoring."
  - SwellJoe 19y ago
    Or, we could stop being xenophobic and call it all outsourcing, and leave "offshoring" to refer to things that have been moved out of the US specifically because doing it on this continent would be illegal or impossible, like gambling, drilling for oil, etc. Hiring someone else to do remote work is agnostic of location (in general). So, the term "offshoring" seems likely intended only to confuse or inflame the reader based on politics rather than facts.
    - vlad 19y ago
      With all due respect for your accomplishments, next time you want to generalize that people are xenophobic, please speak for yourself. Nobody made any value judgements on either word. It's quite clear the word offshoring doesn't make sense for United States companies outsourcing to Canada or Mexico, just like the Germans can't offshore to France. However, Italy can offshore to the United States and vice versa. Maybe I'm wrong about the semantics (people are free to vote the post up or down), but it's not fair to imply that rms, staunch, or I feel there's anything wrong with people who live in other countries.
      - SwellJoe 19y ago
        "Maybe I'm wrong about the semantics (people are free to vote the post up or down), but it's not fair to imply that rms, staunch, or I feel there's anything wrong with people who live in other countries." I didn't intend to imply that any of the other comments were xenophobic in nature. It's just a more sensitive area than anyone here would like to admit, and there are political motivations at work in the use of these terms, and by following the lead of xenophobic folks, we might be working for their political ends despite not having those desires ourselves. I'm actually assuming that the vast majority of people here are educated and lacking in bigotry or xenophobia, and based on the number of startups started by non-US natives in the current web 2.0 economy, more likely to be literally "off-shore" than most English-speaking community website contributors. In short, I was merely wanting to point out that by using the word off-shoring, people might be indicating political positions they don't endorse (which is just what anti-immigration and protectionist supporters want). I don't really care what terms folks use, and I'm wholly non-PC. I just know enough to know that there has been a subtle shift on border issues in the US in a direction I don't like at all, and I know that language is a tool that the reactionary new Right uses extremely well. I'm not saying the word "off-shoring" is the reason immigration or import/export issues are about to become a shitstorm in America, but I can't help but think Fox News would rather I use "off-shoring" than "out-sourcing", because "off-shoring", in some Americans minds equates to "non-white, non-American, workers stealing my job". So I'll use "out-sourcing", thanks. Apologies to rms, staunch, or vlad, for any hurt feelings. Just remember that I'm an insensitive clod, and I'm sure you'll feel better. ;-)