5 ms·

This seems like an old article, but probably still true today What I don't get is, why wouldn't Elon just make a good version of Grokipedia. It seems way easie

This seems like an old article, but probably still true today What I don't get is, why wouldn't Elon just make a good version of Grokipedia. It seems way easier than continually telling his 200MM+ followers how great a deeply broken product is.

femiagbabiaka 10mo ago
It is not possible to make a good version of Grokipedia while satisfying the requirements of its owner, namely to launder ultra-right viewpoints[1]. 1: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/elon-musk/elon-musk-grokipedia-wikipedia-neo-nazi-grok-42-encyclopedia-rcna244749 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/elon-musk/elon-musk-grokipedia-...
- boxerab 10mo ago
  can you a) define "ultra-right" viewpoints and b) give some references for these views on Grokipedia ?
  - femiagbabiaka 10mo ago
    I cited an article in my comment to back up my claims. The paper it references is publicly available and goes into more detail. Is that not enough?
    - boxerab 10mo ago
      this laughable article cites luminaries such as unnamed "experts" and a computer science grad student. So, no, this is not enough - can you yourself define what you mean by "ultra-right" viewpoints ?
      - femiagbabiaka 10mo ago
        Nazism and white nationalism, for starters. This is all gone over in that laughable article. To help, here's the study referenced, which has two, not one, researchers cited: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2511.09685 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2511.09685. They also published their data on GitHub: https://github.com/htried/wiki-grok-comparison/tree/main https://github.com/htried/wiki-grok-comparison/tree/main. I suspect that you might've tried to use an LLM to summarize the article, which is why you missed critical data and got some of the basic facts about its sourcing incorrect. I'm a fan of using LLM's to speed up research, but you should probably pick a different model next time.
        boxerab 10mo ago
        the article remains laughable because it is biased agitprop quoting a single unpublished pre-print paper with no attempt to provide any counter arguments in favour of the site. Have you actually visited ? I took a look at the articles on white nationalism and National Socialism and found them quite informative. Nothing "hateful" that I could see. Now visit the Wikipedia articles on "Drug Liberalization", Communism, Roe v Wade, abortion to see the left wing bias in favour of drug legalization, white-washing Stalin's crimes, against reversal of Roe v Wade, and in favour of abortion.
- _yb2s 10mo ago
  “Reality has a well known liberal bias” -Stephen Colbert
zzzeek 10mo ago
What would a "good" version be ? Start putting real facts into a site and before you know it you're "woke" again with such untruths as Slavery was Bad, Biden won the 2020 Election and of course Full Self Driving is Impossible without Lidar
- venturecruelty 10mo ago
  Seriously. My Christmas wish is for everyone to understand that Grokipedia was not created in good faith, by someone who wants free and open knowledge to flourish.
  - Geezus_42 10mo ago
    People still tune in to watch Alex Jones. I wouldn't hold my breath.
- Levitz 10mo ago
  >Start putting real facts into a site and before you know it you're "woke" again This is precisely the problem that is being arrogantly failing to be addressed by grokipedia. This idea that knowledge naturally leans ideologically left and that as such it's not only natural, but even beneficial that there is widespread left wing bias.
  - zzzeek 10mo ago
    "Joe Biden won the 2020 election" is not a "left wing" notion (or if you're looking for a more hefty one, "vaccines do not cause autism"). it is objective fact. the "left wing" has nothing to do with this, it's about the "right wing" has decided to reject objective fact as part of their ideological platform.
slashdave 10mo ago
That would require careful planning, introspection, and humility.
exasperaited 10mo ago
Could it be, could it possibly be, because he’s not an honest broker but a deeply wounded, emotionally immature malignant narcissist who needs the world to conform to his darkest viewpoints so that he can tell himself that he is not the imperfect person he knows himself to be?
- cindyllm 10mo ago
  [dead]
tbrownaw 10mo ago
> What I don't get is, why wouldn't Elon just make a good version of Grokipedia. The way to make your MVP less shitty is to throw time and money at iterating it. Which I understand is what's happening. I'm sure in a few years it'll either be quite good, or have clearly highlighted some fundamental limitations of language models as a class.

femiagbabiaka 10mo ago

It is not possible to make a good version of Grokipedia while satisfying the requirements of its owner, namely to launder ultra-right viewpoints[1]. 1: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/elon-musk/elon-musk-grokipedia-wikipedia-neo-nazi-grok-42-encyclopedia-rcna244749 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/elon-musk/elon-musk-grokipedia-...

boxerab 10mo ago
can you a) define "ultra-right" viewpoints and b) give some references for these views on Grokipedia ?
- femiagbabiaka 10mo ago
  I cited an article in my comment to back up my claims. The paper it references is publicly available and goes into more detail. Is that not enough?
  - boxerab 10mo ago
    this laughable article cites luminaries such as unnamed "experts" and a computer science grad student. So, no, this is not enough - can you yourself define what you mean by "ultra-right" viewpoints ?
    - femiagbabiaka 10mo ago
      Nazism and white nationalism, for starters. This is all gone over in that laughable article. To help, here's the study referenced, which has two, not one, researchers cited: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2511.09685 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2511.09685. They also published their data on GitHub: https://github.com/htried/wiki-grok-comparison/tree/main https://github.com/htried/wiki-grok-comparison/tree/main. I suspect that you might've tried to use an LLM to summarize the article, which is why you missed critical data and got some of the basic facts about its sourcing incorrect. I'm a fan of using LLM's to speed up research, but you should probably pick a different model next time.
      - boxerab 10mo ago
        the article remains laughable because it is biased agitprop quoting a single unpublished pre-print paper with no attempt to provide any counter arguments in favour of the site. Have you actually visited ? I took a look at the articles on white nationalism and National Socialism and found them quite informative. Nothing "hateful" that I could see. Now visit the Wikipedia articles on "Drug Liberalization", Communism, Roe v Wade, abortion to see the left wing bias in favour of drug legalization, white-washing Stalin's crimes, against reversal of Roe v Wade, and in favour of abortion.
_yb2s 10mo ago
“Reality has a well known liberal bias” -Stephen Colbert

zzzeek 10mo ago

What would a "good" version be ? Start putting real facts into a site and before you know it you're "woke" again with such untruths as Slavery was Bad, Biden won the 2020 Election and of course Full Self Driving is Impossible without Lidar

venturecruelty 10mo ago
Seriously. My Christmas wish is for everyone to understand that Grokipedia was not created in good faith, by someone who wants free and open knowledge to flourish.
- Geezus_42 10mo ago
  People still tune in to watch Alex Jones. I wouldn't hold my breath.
Levitz 10mo ago
>Start putting real facts into a site and before you know it you're "woke" again This is precisely the problem that is being arrogantly failing to be addressed by grokipedia. This idea that knowledge naturally leans ideologically left and that as such it's not only natural, but even beneficial that there is widespread left wing bias.
- zzzeek 10mo ago
  "Joe Biden won the 2020 election" is not a "left wing" notion (or if you're looking for a more hefty one, "vaccines do not cause autism"). it is objective fact. the "left wing" has nothing to do with this, it's about the "right wing" has decided to reject objective fact as part of their ideological platform.

slashdave 10mo ago

That would require careful planning, introspection, and humility.

exasperaited 10mo ago

Could it be, could it possibly be, because he’s not an honest broker but a deeply wounded, emotionally immature malignant narcissist who needs the world to conform to his darkest viewpoints so that he can tell himself that he is not the imperfect person he knows himself to be?

cindyllm 10mo ago
[dead]

tbrownaw 10mo ago

> What I don't get is, why wouldn't Elon just make a good version of Grokipedia. The way to make your MVP less shitty is to throw time and money at iterating it. Which I understand is what's happening. I'm sure in a few years it'll either be quite good, or have clearly highlighted some fundamental limitations of language models as a class.