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Ok, so it's the peace prize. I don't have deep knowledge about this issue, so I guess you're right. This makes me have funny thoughts. You know, we're all heav

by vdupras 11mo ago

Ok, so it's the peace prize. I don't have deep knowledge about this issue, so I guess you're right. This makes me have funny thoughts. You know, we're all heavily influenced by propaganda. We have american propaganda, they have russian propaganda, they have chinese propaganda, etc. So here it's the peace prize, and over there it's their super mega unstoppable missiles. There might be a day when foreign propaganda explains the reality that americans can observe in a manner that is more straightforward than their own nation's propaganda. That would be a fun day.

JumpCrisscross 11mo ago
> here it's the peace prize, and over there it's their super mega unstoppable missiles You're confusing motives and tactical reality. We're unsure about motives on both sides. We can, however, confidently speak to how weapons and tactics are facing off against each other, in large part due to the overwhelming amount of OSINT coming out of Ukraine. Those data let us reject the hypothesis that the U.S. has any rational basis for being worried about Russian weapons or defences. (Which doesn't mean, of course, that they can't flip out. But again, motives versus tactical truth.)
- vdupras 11mo ago
  I don't think I am. I'm talking about propaganda. Let's ask our propaganda machines "Why is the US peace plan so favorable to Russia". Russia propaganda: because our super weapons do much better on the field than the US anticipated and they're shitting their pants now. US propaganda: Because our weapons are invincible. Our superiority has always been overwhelming. America, fuck yeah! etc. etc. Oh wait, you meant those terms favorable to Russia? Yeah, huh, the peace prize. I don't have the means to figure out who's right, but I know which one sounds funnier than the other.
cosmicgadget 11mo ago
It could be the Nobel Prize. It could be embarrassment that he is failing to deliver on a very smug campaign promise. It could be that Putin proxies bought a load of Trump crypto. It could be that MBS made it a condition of some investment. It could be that a man famous for having no attention span just decided to run with the advice of his most pro-Russia advisor. We can't know for sure, but it certainly doesn't imply anything about Russia's status as a paper tiger.

by vdupras 11mo ago

JumpCrisscross 11mo ago

> here it's the peace prize, and over there it's their super mega unstoppable missiles You're confusing motives and tactical reality. We're unsure about motives on both sides. We can, however, confidently speak to how weapons and tactics are facing off against each other, in large part due to the overwhelming amount of OSINT coming out of Ukraine. Those data let us reject the hypothesis that the U.S. has any rational basis for being worried about Russian weapons or defences. (Which doesn't mean, of course, that they can't flip out. But again, motives versus tactical truth.)

vdupras 11mo ago
I don't think I am. I'm talking about propaganda. Let's ask our propaganda machines "Why is the US peace plan so favorable to Russia". Russia propaganda: because our super weapons do much better on the field than the US anticipated and they're shitting their pants now. US propaganda: Because our weapons are invincible. Our superiority has always been overwhelming. America, fuck yeah! etc. etc. Oh wait, you meant those terms favorable to Russia? Yeah, huh, the peace prize. I don't have the means to figure out who's right, but I know which one sounds funnier than the other.

cosmicgadget 11mo ago

It could be the Nobel Prize. It could be embarrassment that he is failing to deliver on a very smug campaign promise. It could be that Putin proxies bought a load of Trump crypto. It could be that MBS made it a condition of some investment. It could be that a man famous for having no attention span just decided to run with the advice of his most pro-Russia advisor. We can't know for sure, but it certainly doesn't imply anything about Russia's status as a paper tiger.