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Didn't that book suggest that a single building used 20% of the water in South America? Amazingly sloppy. I really do think that people should be careful about

by Arnt 11mo ago

Didn't that book suggest that a single building used 20% of the water in South America? Amazingly sloppy. I really do think that people should be careful about what they say in public and measure their words. And further, I think that the author of that book ought to be silent on that particular subject.

rendx 11mo ago
Interesting how you seem to see nothing inherently wrong in the provided quotes that call for violence against people of different opinion, but decided to only critique the person that admitted a mistake without aggression against anyone else, and demand they be (forever?) silent about a topic they seem interested in. Why would you ever want to demand that someone "stay silent" about anything. Taking away somebody's voice is the lowest of the low. You do not have to read it or interact with it if you don't like it. And how would you want to be treated when you make a mistake? Can't you see how that leads straight to a world of zero progress, where people are afraid to do anything because it could turn out to be a mistake and they will be shunned for it by those that happen to have the most power? Are you not aware of the research into how bad punishment is for learning and advancement of society? Williams, K. D., & Nida, S. A. (2022). Ostracism and social exclusion: Implications for separation, social isolation, and loss. Current opinion in psychology, 47, 101353. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.copsyc.2022.101353 https://doi.org/10.1016/j.copsyc.2022.101353 Knapton, H. M. (2014). The Recruitment and Radicalisation of Western Citizens: Does Ostracism Have a Role in Homegrown Terrorism?. Journal of European Psychology Students, 5(1), 38-48. https://doi.org/10.5334/jeps.bo https://doi.org/10.5334/jeps.bo
konmok 11mo ago
Your comment kinda proves the article's point, don't you think? I mean, obviously your comment doesn't constitute a threat or harassment, but it does demonstrate the weird double standard and unbalanced scrutiny that the article describes.
- Arnt 11mo ago
  No double standard. On one hand, I think that people should check before publication and not publish shit. That goes for posting on the internet, and also about publishing books. Separately and orthogonally, I think that someone who doesn't check before publication and publishes shit should refrain from complaining about other people's shit, even though other people's shit really is shit.
  - konmok 11mo ago
    Sure, fine. I'm just highlighting that you chose to call out Karen Hao for her mistake (which she admitted and corrected), but not Will MacAskill or any of the other big EA names that have made egregious and dishonest claims. If it's not a double standard, Will also ought to be silent on this subject, right? That's what I mean by unbalanced scrutiny.
    - Arnt 11mo ago
      IMNSHO she didn't admit and correct the mistake — yet. She admitted one mistake and has corrected none, and the one she admitted was IMNSHO not the severe one. She made several mistakes, of which I'll describe two. One (modestly serious) was to confuse units and compute the wrong number. The second (against my religion) was to publish without sanity-checking. You and I both know she didn't check, because her estimate for the average water use of one building was 20% of the water use of the continent. Any sort of check would uncover that mistake. We in the rational camp are supposed to behave differently from Alex Jones, and part of that is to check before we publish. She's "making arrangements with her editor to rectify the situation". If she fixes every reported error, not just one of them, I'll have a lot of respect for her.
      - konmok 11mo ago
        You dodged the question. That's not very rational of you :)
        Arnt 11mo ago
        Was the question about Will whatshisname? I'd rather not mention his possible transgressions, since I hadn't even heard the name until this thread. Post a story about him to HN and I'll either comment or miss the thread, both are possible.

by Arnt 11mo ago

rendx 11mo ago

Interesting how you seem to see nothing inherently wrong in the provided quotes that call for violence against people of different opinion, but decided to only critique the person that admitted a mistake without aggression against anyone else, and demand they be (forever?) silent about a topic they seem interested in. Why would you ever want to demand that someone "stay silent" about anything. Taking away somebody's voice is the lowest of the low. You do not have to read it or interact with it if you don't like it. And how would you want to be treated when you make a mistake? Can't you see how that leads straight to a world of zero progress, where people are afraid to do anything because it could turn out to be a mistake and they will be shunned for it by those that happen to have the most power? Are you not aware of the research into how bad punishment is for learning and advancement of society? Williams, K. D., & Nida, S. A. (2022). Ostracism and social exclusion: Implications for separation, social isolation, and loss. Current opinion in psychology, 47, 101353. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.copsyc.2022.101353 https://doi.org/10.1016/j.copsyc.2022.101353 Knapton, H. M. (2014). The Recruitment and Radicalisation of Western Citizens: Does Ostracism Have a Role in Homegrown Terrorism?. Journal of European Psychology Students, 5(1), 38-48. https://doi.org/10.5334/jeps.bo https://doi.org/10.5334/jeps.bo

konmok 11mo ago

Your comment kinda proves the article's point, don't you think? I mean, obviously your comment doesn't constitute a threat or harassment, but it does demonstrate the weird double standard and unbalanced scrutiny that the article describes.

Arnt 11mo ago
No double standard. On one hand, I think that people should check before publication and not publish shit. That goes for posting on the internet, and also about publishing books. Separately and orthogonally, I think that someone who doesn't check before publication and publishes shit should refrain from complaining about other people's shit, even though other people's shit really is shit.
- konmok 11mo ago
  Sure, fine. I'm just highlighting that you chose to call out Karen Hao for her mistake (which she admitted and corrected), but not Will MacAskill or any of the other big EA names that have made egregious and dishonest claims. If it's not a double standard, Will also ought to be silent on this subject, right? That's what I mean by unbalanced scrutiny.
  - Arnt 11mo ago
    IMNSHO she didn't admit and correct the mistake — yet. She admitted one mistake and has corrected none, and the one she admitted was IMNSHO not the severe one. She made several mistakes, of which I'll describe two. One (modestly serious) was to confuse units and compute the wrong number. The second (against my religion) was to publish without sanity-checking. You and I both know she didn't check, because her estimate for the average water use of one building was 20% of the water use of the continent. Any sort of check would uncover that mistake. We in the rational camp are supposed to behave differently from Alex Jones, and part of that is to check before we publish. She's "making arrangements with her editor to rectify the situation". If she fixes every reported error, not just one of them, I'll have a lot of respect for her.
    - konmok 11mo ago
      You dodged the question. That's not very rational of you :)
      - Arnt 11mo ago
        Was the question about Will whatshisname? I'd rather not mention his possible transgressions, since I hadn't even heard the name until this thread. Post a story about him to HN and I'll either comment or miss the thread, both are possible.