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What I want is some hardware that, if Linux stops working on it, it's someone's job to fix that. Which is why I'm strongly considering a Steam Cube.
by AndrewDucker 11mo ago
What I want is some hardware that, if Linux stops working on it, it's someone's job to fix that.
Which is why I'm strongly considering a Steam Cube.
- kylec 11mo agoWhat about a Mac? macOS isn't exactly Linux, but you can run a lot of Linux command line things just fine on it, and Apple will always make sure macOS works 100% on the Macs they sell.
- AndrewDucker 11mo agoHow are they at running all of the games I own on Steam?
- egypturnash 11mo agomeh, there's gotta be a specific Mac port, and there's not much love put into keeping those working when Apple makes breaking changes like "killing 32-bit addressing" or "switching cpu architectures".
- stavros 11mo agoGame selection is terrible on a Mac. I find it mindblowing that my Linux desktop/laptop run all my games, bar none, but a very small percentage runs on my Mac.
- dghlsakjg 11mo agoThe exact same underlying software (Wine) that lets you run all of your windows games on Linux using Proton also works on MacOS using Crossover. I haven't found anything in my steam library that Crossover (wine with a nice GUI) hasn't handled on my Mac yet. I'm sure a bad game exists, but for most games it is seamless. I tend not to have unrealistic expectations like running AAA titles at high framerates on a mid-tier laptop, and tend to go for indy games, but the games I have run work great. Native game selection is - in fact - pretty limited, but who cares if it is being run with a compatibility layer if it plays well.
- MrDrMcCoy 11mo agoInteresting. I would imagine the experience would be pretty poor (compared to Linux), and that the state of Direct3D/OpenGL/Vulkan to Metal translation to not be very mature or performant.
- sunaookami 11mo agoIt absolutely do runs worse than on Linux, it's not equivalent. Do not bother, especially not with newer games.
- dghlsakjg 11mo agoYes, it isn't as good as Linux in some cases. It hasn't stopped me from running Cyberpunk on a Macbook though. Nobody is under the impression that a Mac running a translation layer is going to be better than a purpose built machine running native code. But is it not worth bothering, at all? No, there are plenty of circumstances where Steam via Crossover is essentially unnoticable. Really, though, if we are going to nitpick at "perfect or don't bother" level. Skip linux too, Windows beats both on equivalent hardware.
- sunaookami 11mo agoAt least Cyberpunk is now natively available for macOS ;)
- dagmx 11mo agoAbout the same as Linux, if you use Crossover. Which is the functional equivalent to Wine/Proton.
- simgt 11mo agoWhat about Framework? They support Fedora and Ubuntu: https://frame.work/fr/en/linux https://frame.work/fr/en/linux
- crabmusket 11mo agoThis is the way I went - Framework feels like the most mainstream way to have hardware that supports Linux, ships to lots of countries, etc. I installed Fedora first with GNOME but now with KDE Plasma. It's been good! But I will say, after 18 months it's starting to show a little bit of bit rot. E.g. for some reason the bootloader refuses to remember to boot into the most recent kernal/OS combination I have installed - it works if I intervene during boot and manually select it, but it seems to often revert to an older combo. And there are starting to be some odd little bugs with external storage drives and the file browser... I haven't looked too deeply into it, but I expect these are Fedora problems, not Framework problems. Maybe I brought them upon myself by tinkering a bit too much with some drivers (not strictly necessary, I was trying to do some unusual A/V stuff I wouldn't normally bother with, but it was for a friend...)
- shermantanktop 11mo agoThe great thing about open source is that there’s always at least one person who can take on the job of fixing your obscure hardware problem…you. The terrible thing is that you are probably unqualified to do driver surgery without taking on more work than the problem is worth to you to fix.
- AndrewDucker 11mo agoYeah, with two small kids, the last thing I want to spend my spare time doing is playing with drivers. I want things that just work.
- mystraline 11mo agoIts not about "you must fix your own software", but that "you CAN fix your own software". Closed source OSes like MS Windows and OSX dont permit you to see, let alone fix things internally.
- bigstrat2003 11mo agoSure. But for most people (even fairly technical people!), that doesn't actually provide any advantage. If one lacks the skills to fix the software, the fact that they have the ability to do so doesn't give them any benefit.
- egypturnash 11mo agoYou can fix your own software but it is not at all guaranteed that there is anyone else interested in fixing your particular problem to anything like the level of closed-source OSs.
- keyringlight 11mo agoAnother aspect to "just work" is it'd be great if component vendors mentioned the state of linux support. For example with motherboards it's expected that there will be windows drivers and tools there for all the functionality, but while the source of software support is different under linux from looking at a random product page it's a big question mark on which one is wise to buy to get the best experience or if full/partial support is available now or soon. Even for Asus gear which I'm aware has efforts going on for linux (or just their laptops? just their ROG branded laptops?) there's precious little mention of it on product pages to confirm the status.
- kristianp 11mo agoA thinkpad then? Not exactly someones job, but hardware support for them is very good.
- fulafel 11mo agoIt still takes a discerning buyer to avoid the bad models (most of the ones ones with dGPU, etc).
- stavros 11mo agoI installed Bazzite on a NUC, and what it did was really sell me on getting a Steam Machine. Bazzite works well enough, but it has a few small bugs (e.g. performance degrades if I run Gamescope), and my NUC is old and underpowered. The general Steam experience, though, is fantastic. It's basically a PC console, except it's not locked down to hell, and I already own hundreds of games for it. I'm very excited for the first-party hardware. If it's anything like the Steam Deck, I'm going to love it.
- AshamedCaptain 11mo agoEven if you run fully Valve hardware you are still going to be subject to the usual finicky-ness when connecting external devices (e.g. if you use multiple monitors, issues with the open source AMD GPU drivers; etc.).
- marcus_holmes 11mo agoThis hasn't been my experience with the Steam Deck. I've plugged it into all sorts of shit and it's worked with almost all of it.
- pessimizer 11mo agohttps://system76.com/ https://system76.com/ RIP Zareason
- dogmatism 11mo agoyou can get that both from Lenovo and Dell
- MrDrMcCoy 11mo agoThere's also System76, Tuxedo, Slimbook, a few models of Dell and Lenovo...
- int_19h 11mo agohttps://starlabs.systems https://starlabs.systems