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Why are images and video a complete waste? This makes no sense to me. Right now the generators aren’t effective but they are definitely stepping stones to some

Why are images and video a complete waste? This makes no sense to me. Right now the generators aren’t effective but they are definitely stepping stones to something better in the future. If that future thing produces video, movies and pictures better than anything humanity can produce at a rate faster than we can produce things… how is that a waste? It can arguably be bad for society but definitely not a waste.

incognito124 11mo ago
Let me phrase it a bit differently, then: AI generated cats in Ghibli style are a waste, we should definitely do less of that. I did not hold that opinion before the documentary Education-style infographics and videos are OK.
- danielbln 11mo ago
  I'm glad you're not the sole arbiter for what is wasteful and what isn't.
  - deleted 11mo ago
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  - dylan604 11mo ago
    Just because you disagree does not make them wrong though
- threethirtytwo 11mo ago
  I’m not even talking about this. Those cat videos are just stepping stones for academy award winning masterpieces of cinema like dune. All generated by AI on a click in one second.
  - lm28469 11mo ago
    Homoconsomator brain be like ^
- eamsen 11mo ago
  Our family derives a lot of joy from stylized versions of our photos. For us, it is not a waste. If you do not derive anything positive from it, you will likely not use it, hence no energy wasted either. Your argument is objectively wrong.
QuantumGood 11mo ago
Parent said "entertainment use cases" are a complete waste, not all uses of images and video. I don't agree, but do particularly find educational use cases of AI video are becoming compelling. I help people turn wire rolling shelf racks into the base of their home studio, and AI can now create a "how to attach something to a wire shelf rack" without me having to do all the space and rack and equipment and lighting and video setup, and just use a prompt. It's not close to perfect yet, but it's becoming useful.
- threethirtytwo 11mo ago
  If AI can produce movies, video and art better aka “more entertaining” then humans than how is it a waste?
  - wasmainiac 11mo ago
    But it’s not. I think most can agree that there really has not been any real entertainment from genAI beyond novelty crap like seeing Lincoln pulling a nice track at a skate park. No one wants to watch genAI slop video, no one wants to listen to genAI video essays, most people do not want to read genAI blog posts. Music is a maybe, based on leaderboards, but it is not like we ever had a lack of music to listen to.
    - CamperBob2 11mo ago
      Eventually it will be good enough that you won't know the difference. I have a feeling that's already happened to me.
    - threethirtytwo 11mo ago
      Bro. You and your cohorts said the exact same thing about LLMs and coding when ChatGPT just came out. The status quo is obvious. So no one is talking about that. Draw the trendline into the future. What will happen when the content is indistinguishable and AI is so good it produces something moves people to tears?
lm28469 11mo ago
It might be shocking to you but some people believe there is more to life than producing and consuming "content" faster and faster. Most of it is used to fool people for engagement, scam, politics or propaganda, it definitely is a huge waste of resource, time, brain and compute power. You have to be completely brainwashed by consumerism and techsolutionism to not see it
- Glemkloksdjf 11mo ago
  I actually had a counter thought a few years ago. We consume A LOT of entertainment every day. Our brains like that a lot. Doesn't has to be just video but even normal people not watching tv at all entertain themselves through books or events etc. Live would be quite boring.
- threethirtytwo 11mo ago
  I see it. But you’re lacking imagination to what I’m referring to. It’s also fucking obvious. Like I’m obviously not referring to TikTok videos and ads and that kind of bullshit every one on earth knows about and obviously hates. You’re going on as if it’s “shocking” to me when what you’re talking about is obvious as night and day. What’s shocking to me is that you’re not getting my point and I’m obviously talking about something less well known. Take your favorite works of art, music and cinema. Imagine if content on that level can be generated by AI in seconds. I wouldn’t classify that as a “waste” at all. You’re obviously referring to bullshit content, I’m referring to content that is meaningful to you and most people. That is where the trendline is pointing. And my point, again is this: We don’t know the consequence of such a future. But I wouldn’t call such content created by AI a waste if it is objectively superior to content created by humans.

incognito124 11mo ago

Let me phrase it a bit differently, then: AI generated cats in Ghibli style are a waste, we should definitely do less of that. I did not hold that opinion before the documentary Education-style infographics and videos are OK.

danielbln 11mo ago
I'm glad you're not the sole arbiter for what is wasteful and what isn't.
- deleted 11mo ago
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- dylan604 11mo ago
  Just because you disagree does not make them wrong though
threethirtytwo 11mo ago
I’m not even talking about this. Those cat videos are just stepping stones for academy award winning masterpieces of cinema like dune. All generated by AI on a click in one second.
- lm28469 11mo ago
  Homoconsomator brain be like ^
eamsen 11mo ago
Our family derives a lot of joy from stylized versions of our photos. For us, it is not a waste. If you do not derive anything positive from it, you will likely not use it, hence no energy wasted either. Your argument is objectively wrong.

QuantumGood 11mo ago

Parent said "entertainment use cases" are a complete waste, not all uses of images and video. I don't agree, but do particularly find educational use cases of AI video are becoming compelling. I help people turn wire rolling shelf racks into the base of their home studio, and AI can now create a "how to attach something to a wire shelf rack" without me having to do all the space and rack and equipment and lighting and video setup, and just use a prompt. It's not close to perfect yet, but it's becoming useful.

threethirtytwo 11mo ago
If AI can produce movies, video and art better aka “more entertaining” then humans than how is it a waste?
- wasmainiac 11mo ago
  But it’s not. I think most can agree that there really has not been any real entertainment from genAI beyond novelty crap like seeing Lincoln pulling a nice track at a skate park. No one wants to watch genAI slop video, no one wants to listen to genAI video essays, most people do not want to read genAI blog posts. Music is a maybe, based on leaderboards, but it is not like we ever had a lack of music to listen to.
  - CamperBob2 11mo ago
    Eventually it will be good enough that you won't know the difference. I have a feeling that's already happened to me.
  - threethirtytwo 11mo ago
    Bro. You and your cohorts said the exact same thing about LLMs and coding when ChatGPT just came out. The status quo is obvious. So no one is talking about that. Draw the trendline into the future. What will happen when the content is indistinguishable and AI is so good it produces something moves people to tears?

lm28469 11mo ago

It might be shocking to you but some people believe there is more to life than producing and consuming "content" faster and faster. Most of it is used to fool people for engagement, scam, politics or propaganda, it definitely is a huge waste of resource, time, brain and compute power. You have to be completely brainwashed by consumerism and techsolutionism to not see it

Glemkloksdjf 11mo ago
I actually had a counter thought a few years ago. We consume A LOT of entertainment every day. Our brains like that a lot. Doesn't has to be just video but even normal people not watching tv at all entertain themselves through books or events etc. Live would be quite boring.
threethirtytwo 11mo ago
I see it. But you’re lacking imagination to what I’m referring to. It’s also fucking obvious. Like I’m obviously not referring to TikTok videos and ads and that kind of bullshit every one on earth knows about and obviously hates. You’re going on as if it’s “shocking” to me when what you’re talking about is obvious as night and day. What’s shocking to me is that you’re not getting my point and I’m obviously talking about something less well known. Take your favorite works of art, music and cinema. Imagine if content on that level can be generated by AI in seconds. I wouldn’t classify that as a “waste” at all. You’re obviously referring to bullshit content, I’m referring to content that is meaningful to you and most people. That is where the trendline is pointing. And my point, again is this: We don’t know the consequence of such a future. But I wouldn’t call such content created by AI a waste if it is objectively superior to content created by humans.