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Ok stop with the panicking. What's wrong with GPS in vehicles? If it's not connected to the internet, there is no issue. What's wrong with playing music from

Ok stop with the panicking. What's wrong with GPS in vehicles? If it's not connected to the internet, there is no issue. What's wrong with playing music from the phone on Bluetooth or Aux? Did you also know you can ride a horse instead of a car? Bluetooth and WiFi isn't running if you turned them off. Bluetooth also isn't really used for tracking unless someone is looking for you or you're part of some service like AirTags. > Ignore your car's complaints and error messages. Did you know Orange dash error lights are non critical? What? Worse advice out there regarding cars.

CamperBob2 11mo ago
If it's not connected to the internet, there is no issue. It's connected to the Internet. Every car has a SIM card now.
- gruez 11mo ago
  >It's connected to the Internet. Every car has a SIM card now. Maybe every new car, but the average car is 13 years old, and the OP made no clarification on whether his advice was for only new cars, or for a 2015 econobox as well.
  - everdrive 11mo ago
    Most people don't know, and will never know whether their car is connected to the internet, so it's better to assume it is unless you have specific information. The app or phone you connect to the car could also be a major exfil point of this data.
  - jeroenhd 11mo ago
    My car is older than that and came with an embedded SIM card. Quite a few navigation consoles had "live traffic updates" (often in trial format, but sometimes "lifetime") that basically consisted of 2G clients occasionally updating traffic data along planned routes. Not quite bottom of the line at the time, but also not uncommon at that point either. It's probably slightly worse than the dedicated satnav screens people were buying back when the car was new, although neither compares to what a smartphone will expose passively from just being inside of a moving car.
    - 1313ed01 11mo ago
      Probably the only good thing about this country shutting down the 2G and 3G networks now is all the spy devices that will go permanently offline.
      - jeroenhd 11mo ago
        On the one hand, they won't be able to communicate with the home base anymore. On the other hand, they'll light up the map like a Christmas tree if someone ever turns on a stingray in their vicinity.
    - ssl-3 11mo ago
      There's other ways to get local traffic data, too. For instance: Traffic Message Channel, which can be broadcast with RDS on an FM station, exists. As long as stations persist that transmit the data (it's sent over RDS), then it will continue to work. There's no subscription involved (or at least, there isn't for my car -- it works where it works, and there's no mechanism by which to pay for using it). The Wiki has some further reading on the technology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_message_channel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_message_channel
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vitaflo 11mo ago
>What's wrong with GPS in vehicles? If it's not connected to the internet, there is no issue. The GPS module is usually on the same board as the cellular module. Disconnecting the board (usually in the shark fin) disconnects the GPS module too.
u8080 11mo ago
>Bluetooth and WiFi isn't running if you turned them off. BT and WiFi are running when turned off, at least on Android without extra opting out.

CamperBob2 11mo ago

If it's not connected to the internet, there is no issue. It's connected to the Internet. Every car has a SIM card now.

gruez 11mo ago
>It's connected to the Internet. Every car has a SIM card now. Maybe every new car, but the average car is 13 years old, and the OP made no clarification on whether his advice was for only new cars, or for a 2015 econobox as well.
- everdrive 11mo ago
  Most people don't know, and will never know whether their car is connected to the internet, so it's better to assume it is unless you have specific information. The app or phone you connect to the car could also be a major exfil point of this data.
- jeroenhd 11mo ago
  My car is older than that and came with an embedded SIM card. Quite a few navigation consoles had "live traffic updates" (often in trial format, but sometimes "lifetime") that basically consisted of 2G clients occasionally updating traffic data along planned routes. Not quite bottom of the line at the time, but also not uncommon at that point either. It's probably slightly worse than the dedicated satnav screens people were buying back when the car was new, although neither compares to what a smartphone will expose passively from just being inside of a moving car.
  - 1313ed01 11mo ago
    Probably the only good thing about this country shutting down the 2G and 3G networks now is all the spy devices that will go permanently offline.
    - jeroenhd 11mo ago
      On the one hand, they won't be able to communicate with the home base anymore. On the other hand, they'll light up the map like a Christmas tree if someone ever turns on a stingray in their vicinity.
  - ssl-3 11mo ago
    There's other ways to get local traffic data, too. For instance: Traffic Message Channel, which can be broadcast with RDS on an FM station, exists. As long as stations persist that transmit the data (it's sent over RDS), then it will continue to work. There's no subscription involved (or at least, there isn't for my car -- it works where it works, and there's no mechanism by which to pay for using it). The Wiki has some further reading on the technology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_message_channel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_message_channel
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vitaflo 11mo ago

>What's wrong with GPS in vehicles? If it's not connected to the internet, there is no issue. The GPS module is usually on the same board as the cellular module. Disconnecting the board (usually in the shark fin) disconnects the GPS module too.

u8080 11mo ago

>Bluetooth and WiFi isn't running if you turned them off. BT and WiFi are running when turned off, at least on Android without extra opting out.