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We don't take the money up front. We're authorizing cards as a minimal low pass filter. Primarily we need to know how many to make (or if anyone wanted one at a

We don't take the money up front. We're authorizing cards as a minimal low pass filter. Primarily we need to know how many to make (or if anyone wanted one at all!)

bduerst 14y ago
FYI I downloaded your app a couple months ago with the hopes I could use it to replicate my NFC card for my building, but I hit your login-only screen. Can you make an a "Lockitron Labs" app or something similar that allows you to read third party NFC keys and replicate their signal on demand?
- ccamrobertson 14y ago
  This would be an incredible feature. Unfortunately, even within NFC the range of standards and encryption types across card types means you can't consistently do this. Our NFC implementation is really the reverse of this - rather than beaming a code, you are reading an NFC tag to trigger your app to send the command.
- mpclark 14y ago
  Actual NFC keys (as implemented on NFC phones) don't work like this -- they are much more secure (think of an exchange of freshly calculated encrypted information rather than broadcasting an unchanging code) and can't be copied.
  - bduerst 14y ago
    Wouldn't it be possible to reverse engineer then? If you ping it with several different signals, you can interpret the responses and analyze the encryption - right?
    - mpclark 14y ago
      I guess that is theoretically possible, insofar as anything can be reverse engineered. It's probably easier to kick down the door, though.
grinich 14y ago
Why did you decide to run your own presale rather than go through Kickstarter?
- loceng 14y ago
  5% + requiring you meet a minimum + time limit
- cdcarter 14y ago
  Presumably because Kickstarter is not a store.
robomartin 14y ago
I should have added a smiley face or a little more text. The question was actually intended a bit differently than I realize you (and others) may have interpreted. It is VERY clear from your site that you are NOT charging anyone until you ship the product they are buying. Hence the "non-Kickstarter Kickstarter" comment. In other words, you are not doing anything like Kickstarter at all yet you are gathering commitments and gauging interest. I shouldn't have left it open to interpretation. Sorry.
JonnieCache 14y ago
Sorry to nitpick, but don't you mean highpass filter? You want to keep the assholes out ;)

We don't take the money up front. We're authorizing cards as a minimal low pass filter. Primarily we need to know how many to make (or if anyone wanted one at all!)

bduerst 14y ago

FYI I downloaded your app a couple months ago with the hopes I could use it to replicate my NFC card for my building, but I hit your login-only screen. Can you make an a "Lockitron Labs" app or something similar that allows you to read third party NFC keys and replicate their signal on demand?

ccamrobertson 14y ago
This would be an incredible feature. Unfortunately, even within NFC the range of standards and encryption types across card types means you can't consistently do this. Our NFC implementation is really the reverse of this - rather than beaming a code, you are reading an NFC tag to trigger your app to send the command.
mpclark 14y ago
Actual NFC keys (as implemented on NFC phones) don't work like this -- they are much more secure (think of an exchange of freshly calculated encrypted information rather than broadcasting an unchanging code) and can't be copied.
- bduerst 14y ago
  Wouldn't it be possible to reverse engineer then? If you ping it with several different signals, you can interpret the responses and analyze the encryption - right?
  - mpclark 14y ago
    I guess that is theoretically possible, insofar as anything can be reverse engineered. It's probably easier to kick down the door, though.

grinich 14y ago

Why did you decide to run your own presale rather than go through Kickstarter?

loceng 14y ago
5% + requiring you meet a minimum + time limit
cdcarter 14y ago
Presumably because Kickstarter is not a store.

robomartin 14y ago

I should have added a smiley face or a little more text. The question was actually intended a bit differently than I realize you (and others) may have interpreted. It is VERY clear from your site that you are NOT charging anyone until you ship the product they are buying. Hence the "non-Kickstarter Kickstarter" comment. In other words, you are not doing anything like Kickstarter at all yet you are gathering commitments and gauging interest. I shouldn't have left it open to interpretation. Sorry.

JonnieCache 14y ago

Sorry to nitpick, but don't you mean highpass filter? You want to keep the assholes out ;)