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I can drop in replace LLMs in my everyday usage. If OpenAI introduces ads, I will switch and never look back. They have no Moat, and right now the Chinese compa

I can drop in replace LLMs in my everyday usage. If OpenAI introduces ads, I will switch and never look back. They have no Moat, and right now the Chinese companies catch up shortly after the models are released… All these arguments about average people not knowing about other LLM companies can be fixed with a simple internet search or information sharing. No big deal.

klntsky 10mo ago
Opensource LLMs are absolutely not on par with gpt-5 for any agentic workflows
- lordofgibbons 10mo ago
  Ads aren't added to agentic workflows. Agentic usage of gpt-5 is only available if you're a paying user.
- beefnugs 10mo ago
  They dont have to be, they just have to be smart enough to remove anything that sounds like a brand from a "good cloud model". This is barely beyond if-else if we start tracking all brands doing the advertising
  - hereme888 10mo ago
    And for the rest, why not wait a few months until the cheap Chinese model is on par (or better)? If OpenAI introduced ads to my workflow after all the money I've paid them, there's 0 loyalty or "ethically American" purchase decision vs paying the Chinese.
- EagnaIonat 10mo ago
  Tool calling I've found takes a bit of work, but Ollama with gpt-oss:20b/120b run on my laptop and work quite well for 90% of the stuff I do. So it's only a matter of time.
- ethmarks 10mo ago
  The average ChatGPT user isn't utilizing agentic workflows. And even for the people that do, just because an LLM isn't absolutely state of the art doesn't invalidate it from being useful.
kumarvvr 10mo ago
> I will switch and never look back You are at the extreme tail end. For most average users, that includes your average mothers, fathers, uncles, aunts, cousins etc, chatGPT is a magical all knowing tool that mostly spits out good answers to their mundane questions. Just like Google does. But better. Instead of more clicking action and more load and more brain actions required in google, chatGPT simply gives you the answer. We have to wait and watch if the product is going to be good. If so, there is going to be some drop in Google's value.
- eterm 10mo ago
  Overheard when I got my hair cut the other day, > Where did you find us? > ChatGPT > Right, we're getting a lot of that, we do very well on there For whatever reason, ChatGPT tends to recommend this one barber over all others in the town. It's a decent barber, but the economic effect of being the barber that ChatGPT recommends is obviously significant. Now I'm sure at first, any ads will be very clearly marked and separate from chat, just as google's first adverts were. But over time that will degrade until they're seemlessly integrated into the chat experience.
- bopbopbop7 10mo ago
  My hacker news friends and I are all very high IQ and smart but everyone else is big dumb dumb.
Cthulhu_ 10mo ago
> and right now the Chinese companies catch up shortly after the models are released… This'll be the big one: if ChatGPT has ads but $service does not yet provides a similar service, they have nothing to stand on. ChatGPT isn't unique, unlike Google at the time which was miles ahead at the time - and no (western) search engine has been able to catch up, even if they have less ads or better search results.

klntsky 10mo ago

Opensource LLMs are absolutely not on par with gpt-5 for any agentic workflows

lordofgibbons 10mo ago
Ads aren't added to agentic workflows. Agentic usage of gpt-5 is only available if you're a paying user.
beefnugs 10mo ago
They dont have to be, they just have to be smart enough to remove anything that sounds like a brand from a "good cloud model". This is barely beyond if-else if we start tracking all brands doing the advertising
- hereme888 10mo ago
  And for the rest, why not wait a few months until the cheap Chinese model is on par (or better)? If OpenAI introduced ads to my workflow after all the money I've paid them, there's 0 loyalty or "ethically American" purchase decision vs paying the Chinese.
EagnaIonat 10mo ago
Tool calling I've found takes a bit of work, but Ollama with gpt-oss:20b/120b run on my laptop and work quite well for 90% of the stuff I do. So it's only a matter of time.
ethmarks 10mo ago
The average ChatGPT user isn't utilizing agentic workflows. And even for the people that do, just because an LLM isn't absolutely state of the art doesn't invalidate it from being useful.

kumarvvr 10mo ago

> I will switch and never look back You are at the extreme tail end. For most average users, that includes your average mothers, fathers, uncles, aunts, cousins etc, chatGPT is a magical all knowing tool that mostly spits out good answers to their mundane questions. Just like Google does. But better. Instead of more clicking action and more load and more brain actions required in google, chatGPT simply gives you the answer. We have to wait and watch if the product is going to be good. If so, there is going to be some drop in Google's value.

eterm 10mo ago
Overheard when I got my hair cut the other day, > Where did you find us? > ChatGPT > Right, we're getting a lot of that, we do very well on there For whatever reason, ChatGPT tends to recommend this one barber over all others in the town. It's a decent barber, but the economic effect of being the barber that ChatGPT recommends is obviously significant. Now I'm sure at first, any ads will be very clearly marked and separate from chat, just as google's first adverts were. But over time that will degrade until they're seemlessly integrated into the chat experience.
bopbopbop7 10mo ago
My hacker news friends and I are all very high IQ and smart but everyone else is big dumb dumb.

Cthulhu_ 10mo ago

> and right now the Chinese companies catch up shortly after the models are released… This'll be the big one: if ChatGPT has ads but $service does not yet provides a similar service, they have nothing to stand on. ChatGPT isn't unique, unlike Google at the time which was miles ahead at the time - and no (western) search engine has been able to catch up, even if they have less ads or better search results.