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For anyone interested in some gaming benchmarks, Gamer's Nexus (a reputable source with good methodology) has some numbers here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v

For anyone interested in some gaming benchmarks, Gamer's Nexus (a reputable source with good methodology) has some numbers here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovOx4_8ajZ8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovOx4_8ajZ8 Based on their results, it sounds like there's still quite a way to go Linux gaming/Proton (ie: very inconsistent frametimes on Nvidia hardware), but it's definitely been taking steps in the right direction.

d3Xt3r 11mo ago
That's mainly an nVidia issue. On AMD, Linux is actually faster and more stable compared to Windows.
- Night_Thastus 11mo ago
  There seems to be little evidence of that, at least from a reputable source. For some games it can be. For some games Proton performs far worse than Windows. It's not steady across the board. And some have stability issues, bugs, major performance problems, or just flat out don't work. I want Proton to be the future as well, but I think it's important not to oversell it as a drop-in replacement either. EDIT: GN highly recommends against apples-to-oranges comparisons of the two, but even looking at their own data for AMD cards (with exact same CPU, RAM, and motherboard) it clearly shows Proton being behind on the order of 6-15%. Not a lot, but not ahead either. You can compare the numbers for the AMD cards against this video's here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP0axVHdP-U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP0axVHdP-U EDIT 2: Instead of just down-voting because the result makes you unhappy, how about responding with well-sourced proof otherwise?
  - dralley 11mo ago
    From personal experience, all of the games that I personally play seem to work at least as well if not better on Linux than Windows. The only exception is FSR4, but that ought to be fixed soon.
  - birksherty 11mo ago
    Another video showing the difference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqIjUddUSo0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqIjUddUSo0
  - d3Xt3r 11mo ago
    FWIW, I wasn't the one who downvoted you. I can't even downvote here as I'm apparently "karmically broke". I have 468 karma, not sure how much I even need to downvote...
  - simoncion 11mo ago
    > There seems to be little evidence of that, at least from a reputable source. I dunno. I remember a little while back some reviewers got a hold of both a Windows version and Linux version of a handheld gaming machine that had exactly the same hardware. The conclusion reached was that the Linux version was better in nearly every way. As I remember it, a little while after this happened, some muckety-muck in the Gaming Division in Microsoft announced something like "We're making a new committment to consistent, high performance in Windows on handheld gaming devices! We're going to ensure all those little game-spoiling roadblocks are removed!". Which, like, good job making it NOT look like you're spasmodically reacting to bad press, guy.
    - Night_Thastus 11mo ago
      Handhelds and desktop PCs can perform differently. It's very possible for Proton to perform better for handhelds but worse for desktop PCs.
      - simoncion 11mo ago
        > Handhelds and desktop PCs can perform differently. The handhelds we're talking about are -essentially- a low-power [0] laptop in a tiny case. Again, we're talking about exactly the same hardware, that provides substantially worse performance when Windows is the OS than when Linux is the OS. For reference, here's one instance of the original coverage of the phenomenon about which I spoke: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJXp3UYj50Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJXp3UYj50Q> [0] But higher power than one might naively expect!
  - herewulf 11mo ago
    > I want Proton to be the future as well, but I think it's important not to oversell it as a drop-in replacement either. Proton needs to be understood as a temporary solution to make the back catalogue on Linux comparable to Windows. Eventually there is a tipping point and most games will have native Linux binaries. Once that happens all developers will gradually follow suit to avoid being left behind. Perhaps Valve's latest hardware efforts will finally bring this about. Proton will still exist for older games and as hardware continues to become more powerful, loss of performance won't matter much.
  - machomaster 11mo ago
    Here are good videos with benchmarks: https://youtu.be/u4a2pDMXLAE https://youtu.be/u4a2pDMXLAE https://youtu.be/77LBtP3nZwY https://youtu.be/77LBtP3nZwY
- EliteGadget 11mo ago
  That just isn't true. While it is very good now, it is not faster and more stable than Windows. I have performance issues on Linux that just don't happen on Windows.
  - d3Xt3r 11mo ago
    That's not been my experience on my GPD Win Mini 2024, an all-AMD machine. The difference between Linux and Windows 11 has been night and day.
    - EliteGadget 11mo ago
      Well that is the issue. The experience varies quite a lot depending on a number of factors. Whereas on Windows it doesn't really vary. I have an all AMD machine and almost all the games will run the same or better on Windows. I have friends that have tried gaming on Linux and all of them have found the experience worse. I did run a win debloat script from and use a local account so I don't have the Windows Spyware running in the background so that may make a difference. Just an aside. I've been using Linux for quite a while now (over-20 years) and the biggest issue is that the community constantly misleads new users about the experience of moving from Windows to Linux. The latest iteration of this has been gaming.
      - rounce 11mo ago
        Perhaps it’s just evidence that anecdata isn’t some universal truth. I’ve had the complete opposite experience for the vast majority of games, where in most cases performance for me has been better on Linux than it was on Windows (can’t compare like for like now as I no longer have a Windows install outside of a VM). Friends of mine experience weird mid-session crashes and hangs on Windows that I’ve never had on Linux. I’m running an Nvidia GPU which is supposedly some kind of Linux boogeyman, but have had only one issue with EDID of a specific monitor and that’s it. Just my experience YMMV.
        EliteGadget 11mo ago
simoncion 11mo ago
> Based on their results... Do note that they make it very, very, very clear that their results are preliminary, and while they've put a whole lot of work into setting up benchmarking on Linux, they're not at all sure that they've got it all correct. > ie: very inconsistent frametimes on Nvidia hardware Yeah, Nvidia on Linux for non-"compute" use has always been a terrible, godawful shitshow. Given Nvidia's recent and fairly-clear disinterest in the "selling graphics cards for people to play video games with" market, [0] I can't imagine things will get consistently better anytime in the near future. [1] [0] Why sell that silicon to video gamers when you can sell it to cryptominers and -these days- "AI" companies for a much, much, much higher profit? [1] I mean, it took them how many Windows driver revisions for them to release somewhat-non-garbage drivers for their spanking-new fancy-ass 5000-series cards? And Windows is the only consumer OS that they care about! For video game use, the Linux drivers are gonna be starved for development resources, and -unlike ATi/AMD's drivers- noone in the world can work on them but Nvidia.
- flawi 11mo ago
  > Do note that they make it very, very, very clear that their results are preliminary, Yeah, I'm not entirely convinced some of the results they're seeing aren't caused by their methodology. I don't think they are either. I moved a gaming pc with a 4070Ti from Win10 to Cachy 3 weeks ago and have been purposefully testing out various games to see if it's workable; I'm about 50 hours and 15 games deep now and the only thing that doesn't work reliably is HDR. Outside of that I haven't run into any issues I haven't seen on Windows as well.
- rounce 11mo ago
  What’s with the Nvidia on Linux FUD like this is the mid-00s? I’ve run Nvidia cards on Linux for the better part of the last decade and it has been a pretty similar experience to when I was on Windows prior to that. Nvidia’s Open Kernel Modules are good so far and the in-kernel Nova driver project also seems promising though some way off. I’m running a 5000 series card with Nvidia OKMs and so far it has been a really smooth experience.
- ndriscoll 11mo ago
  I've never run into any issues with my GTX 1070 and proprietary drivers. It's ran perfectly well for almost a decade. Like when people complain about nvidia drivers I don't even know what they mean. Do you run into artifacts, or crashes, or kernel panics, or what?
kachapopopow 11mo ago
I actually get higher FPS in graphically demanding games due to vulkan producing more optimized shaders, most of the lag actually comes from context switching and translation for directx, it's absolutely GREAT one dx12 due to how little translation there is. I'm currently working on few very targeted optimizations for several hotspots I've found out from messing around so it will be interesting if I can solve those horrible stutter issues on cyberpunk since if I can fix it (in a ghetto and janky way), so can valve. I can also achieve higher fps in games like overwatch (dx12) out of the box on nvidia on proton experimental which is surprising as 4 years ago the input latency was unbearable and I had drops as low as 30 fps, now I can achieve consistent 600 fps with minimums of 450 whereas on windows I get as low as 220fps and averages of 500ish. I do have anticheat related drops to <300fps due to the amount of translation happens when they decide to scan memory, registry and whatnot although it lasts <1s and doesn't happen during games it seems.

d3Xt3r 11mo ago

That's mainly an nVidia issue. On AMD, Linux is actually faster and more stable compared to Windows.

Night_Thastus 11mo ago
There seems to be little evidence of that, at least from a reputable source. For some games it can be. For some games Proton performs far worse than Windows. It's not steady across the board. And some have stability issues, bugs, major performance problems, or just flat out don't work. I want Proton to be the future as well, but I think it's important not to oversell it as a drop-in replacement either. EDIT: GN highly recommends against apples-to-oranges comparisons of the two, but even looking at their own data for AMD cards (with exact same CPU, RAM, and motherboard) it clearly shows Proton being behind on the order of 6-15%. Not a lot, but not ahead either. You can compare the numbers for the AMD cards against this video's here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP0axVHdP-U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP0axVHdP-U EDIT 2: Instead of just down-voting because the result makes you unhappy, how about responding with well-sourced proof otherwise?
- dralley 11mo ago
  From personal experience, all of the games that I personally play seem to work at least as well if not better on Linux than Windows. The only exception is FSR4, but that ought to be fixed soon.
- birksherty 11mo ago
  Another video showing the difference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqIjUddUSo0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqIjUddUSo0
- d3Xt3r 11mo ago
  FWIW, I wasn't the one who downvoted you. I can't even downvote here as I'm apparently "karmically broke". I have 468 karma, not sure how much I even need to downvote...
- simoncion 11mo ago
  > There seems to be little evidence of that, at least from a reputable source. I dunno. I remember a little while back some reviewers got a hold of both a Windows version and Linux version of a handheld gaming machine that had exactly the same hardware. The conclusion reached was that the Linux version was better in nearly every way. As I remember it, a little while after this happened, some muckety-muck in the Gaming Division in Microsoft announced something like "We're making a new committment to consistent, high performance in Windows on handheld gaming devices! We're going to ensure all those little game-spoiling roadblocks are removed!". Which, like, good job making it NOT look like you're spasmodically reacting to bad press, guy.
  - Night_Thastus 11mo ago
    Handhelds and desktop PCs can perform differently. It's very possible for Proton to perform better for handhelds but worse for desktop PCs.
    - simoncion 11mo ago
      > Handhelds and desktop PCs can perform differently. The handhelds we're talking about are -essentially- a low-power [0] laptop in a tiny case. Again, we're talking about exactly the same hardware, that provides substantially worse performance when Windows is the OS than when Linux is the OS. For reference, here's one instance of the original coverage of the phenomenon about which I spoke: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJXp3UYj50Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJXp3UYj50Q> [0] But higher power than one might naively expect!
- herewulf 11mo ago
  > I want Proton to be the future as well, but I think it's important not to oversell it as a drop-in replacement either. Proton needs to be understood as a temporary solution to make the back catalogue on Linux comparable to Windows. Eventually there is a tipping point and most games will have native Linux binaries. Once that happens all developers will gradually follow suit to avoid being left behind. Perhaps Valve's latest hardware efforts will finally bring this about. Proton will still exist for older games and as hardware continues to become more powerful, loss of performance won't matter much.
- machomaster 11mo ago
  Here are good videos with benchmarks: https://youtu.be/u4a2pDMXLAE https://youtu.be/u4a2pDMXLAE https://youtu.be/77LBtP3nZwY https://youtu.be/77LBtP3nZwY
EliteGadget 11mo ago
That just isn't true. While it is very good now, it is not faster and more stable than Windows. I have performance issues on Linux that just don't happen on Windows.
- d3Xt3r 11mo ago
  That's not been my experience on my GPD Win Mini 2024, an all-AMD machine. The difference between Linux and Windows 11 has been night and day.
  - EliteGadget 11mo ago
    Well that is the issue. The experience varies quite a lot depending on a number of factors. Whereas on Windows it doesn't really vary. I have an all AMD machine and almost all the games will run the same or better on Windows. I have friends that have tried gaming on Linux and all of them have found the experience worse. I did run a win debloat script from and use a local account so I don't have the Windows Spyware running in the background so that may make a difference. Just an aside. I've been using Linux for quite a while now (over-20 years) and the biggest issue is that the community constantly misleads new users about the experience of moving from Windows to Linux. The latest iteration of this has been gaming.
    - rounce 11mo ago
      Perhaps it’s just evidence that anecdata isn’t some universal truth. I’ve had the complete opposite experience for the vast majority of games, where in most cases performance for me has been better on Linux than it was on Windows (can’t compare like for like now as I no longer have a Windows install outside of a VM). Friends of mine experience weird mid-session crashes and hangs on Windows that I’ve never had on Linux. I’m running an Nvidia GPU which is supposedly some kind of Linux boogeyman, but have had only one issue with EDID of a specific monitor and that’s it. Just my experience YMMV.
      - EliteGadget 11mo ago

simoncion 11mo ago

> Based on their results... Do note that they make it very, very, very clear that their results are preliminary, and while they've put a whole lot of work into setting up benchmarking on Linux, they're not at all sure that they've got it all correct. > ie: very inconsistent frametimes on Nvidia hardware Yeah, Nvidia on Linux for non-"compute" use has always been a terrible, godawful shitshow. Given Nvidia's recent and fairly-clear disinterest in the "selling graphics cards for people to play video games with" market, [0] I can't imagine things will get consistently better anytime in the near future. [1] [0] Why sell that silicon to video gamers when you can sell it to cryptominers and -these days- "AI" companies for a much, much, much higher profit? [1] I mean, it took them how many Windows driver revisions for them to release somewhat-non-garbage drivers for their spanking-new fancy-ass 5000-series cards? And Windows is the only consumer OS that they care about! For video game use, the Linux drivers are gonna be starved for development resources, and -unlike ATi/AMD's drivers- noone in the world can work on them but Nvidia.

flawi 11mo ago
> Do note that they make it very, very, very clear that their results are preliminary, Yeah, I'm not entirely convinced some of the results they're seeing aren't caused by their methodology. I don't think they are either. I moved a gaming pc with a 4070Ti from Win10 to Cachy 3 weeks ago and have been purposefully testing out various games to see if it's workable; I'm about 50 hours and 15 games deep now and the only thing that doesn't work reliably is HDR. Outside of that I haven't run into any issues I haven't seen on Windows as well.
rounce 11mo ago
What’s with the Nvidia on Linux FUD like this is the mid-00s? I’ve run Nvidia cards on Linux for the better part of the last decade and it has been a pretty similar experience to when I was on Windows prior to that. Nvidia’s Open Kernel Modules are good so far and the in-kernel Nova driver project also seems promising though some way off. I’m running a 5000 series card with Nvidia OKMs and so far it has been a really smooth experience.
ndriscoll 11mo ago
I've never run into any issues with my GTX 1070 and proprietary drivers. It's ran perfectly well for almost a decade. Like when people complain about nvidia drivers I don't even know what they mean. Do you run into artifacts, or crashes, or kernel panics, or what?

kachapopopow 11mo ago

I actually get higher FPS in graphically demanding games due to vulkan producing more optimized shaders, most of the lag actually comes from context switching and translation for directx, it's absolutely GREAT one dx12 due to how little translation there is. I'm currently working on few very targeted optimizations for several hotspots I've found out from messing around so it will be interesting if I can solve those horrible stutter issues on cyberpunk since if I can fix it (in a ghetto and janky way), so can valve. I can also achieve higher fps in games like overwatch (dx12) out of the box on nvidia on proton experimental which is surprising as 4 years ago the input latency was unbearable and I had drops as low as 30 fps, now I can achieve consistent 600 fps with minimums of 450 whereas on windows I get as low as 220fps and averages of 500ish. I do have anticheat related drops to <300fps due to the amount of translation happens when they decide to scan memory, registry and whatnot although it lasts <1s and doesn't happen during games it seems.