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Hi, I'm the founder. While what you're saying isn't impossible, it's unlikely. In the event it did happen, Bazzite is a fork, a signing key, and a couple forke

Hi, I'm the founder. While what you're saying isn't impossible, it's unlikely. In the event it did happen, Bazzite is a fork, a signing key, and a couple forked Fedora Copr repos away from being made completely in someone else's control.

_cenw 10mo ago
I don't doubt it, but I actually really hate that the build system is a bunch of bash scripts, github actions and assuming the previous stage builds fine. Especially when the custom image forkable repo has an action commented out to squeeze more temporary storage out of GHA hosted runners because some images don't even fit on those (like the gnome-deck). I wish the entire setup was a little more decoupled and maybe allowed you to build multiple stages in one go so the entire system was more "forkable" and less spread out. I went on a bit of a wild goose chase trying to build Bazzite without the Firefox RPM removed (rpm-ostree doesn't like adding and removing and then adding packages again). I did voice that concern in some Bazzite-related spaces before and it felt like it got brushed off with a weird undertone.
- KyleGospo 10mo ago
  Fork and remove this line: https://github.com/ublue-os/bazzite/blob/main/Containerfile#L194 https://github.com/ublue-os/bazzite/blob/main/Containerfile#... Note that we remove rpm Firefox for security reasons. You do not want your browser to only update with your entire operating system.
  - thegeekpirate 10mo ago
    Press "y" before linking to a Github file/line to ensure it stays accurate https://github.com/ublue-os/bazzite/blob/5e8f61a56ca3da02778851621f895c15d01da6ce/Containerfile#L194 https://github.com/ublue-os/bazzite/blob/5e8f61a56ca3da02778...
    - flakes 10mo ago
      I had no idea there was a hotkey for that. Thank you!
      - mikepurvis 10mo ago
        Even better, doing so allows GitHub to insert a source snippet if you paste a link like that into an issue or comment.
        flakes 10mo ago
        Yeah, I just always used the context windows to set permalink. Saves me a step now!
      - thegeekpirate 10mo ago
        My pleasure!
    - d3Xt3r 10mo ago
      What do you mean by "to ensure it stays accurate"? Why wouldn't it be accurate if you're just copy-pasting the link?
      - fragmede 10mo ago
        is the link to the file as it exists on "main" currently, or at a specific revision, so in three years, it will still refer to that version of the file?
    - _cenw 10mo ago
      This is cool, but also broken. If you click "raw" after pressing y without reloading, the link is still to a tag/branch.
0xakhil 10mo ago
@KyleGospo, Any plans for an arm64 version?
- KyleGospo 10mo ago
  Yes, it'll happen eventually. I can't promise it'll be a good gaming experience anytime soon though.
  - wlesieutre 10mo ago
    With the upcoming Steam Frame relying on FEX, Valve will be throwing a bunch of money making it work well
haunter 10mo ago
Oh no I didn't mean as a personal attack or anything so thanks for taking your time and for the reply! I know the chances are miniscule but there is that 1% in the back of my brain because it happened in the past with some distros I've really liked
- KyleGospo 10mo ago
  You're good -- didn't take it as one. It's an important question to ask.
- mendyberger 10mo ago
  Can happen to corporate projects as well. As one example, look at how many projects Google has killed.
  - nrklvklfl 10mo ago
    Android will be around for much longer than Bazzite, that I can assure you.
    - MrNiceGuy321 10mo ago
      Also, if you’re into gaming, google play (android) has a lot more games than steam, it’s not even close.
      - berdario 10mo ago
        Ok, but the market is absolutely flooded with exploitative stuff, laden with micro transactions and a trickle of miniscule rewards, in attempt to addict the user, rather than genuinely provide enjoyment. How do you even discover the good games that are worth being played on Android? I'm aware of https://nobsgames.stavros.io/ https://nobsgames.stavros.io/ , but I'm afraid it might not be extremely up-to-date And also, I think that Google Play has a much bigger problem than Steam, when it comes to old games being made unavailable (think EA's zzSunset stuff)
      - oblio 10mo ago
mmh0000 10mo ago
Weren’t you threatening to shutdown Bazzite just a few months ago? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44381265 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44381265
- KyleGospo 10mo ago
  No, my statement was Fedora was about to shoot itself in the foot and that it'd be easier for Bazzite to not exist than for us to clean up their mess. Note that this was in a change proposal which was rescinded without a vote by it's proposer.
  - ffsm8 10mo ago
    Mmh, you definitely misremember that > As much as I’d like this change to happen, it’s too soon. This change would kill off projects like Bazzite entirely right as Fedora is starting to make major headway in the gaming space. > I’m speaking as it’s founder, if this change is actually made as it is written the best option for us is to just go ahead and disband the project. Now, whenever you would've actually shut down the project is a different story, but your messaging was very clear.
    - dralley 10mo ago
      What is the point of this line of questioning? They stated that the proposal as-written would make maintaining projects like Bazzite untenable. That's a valid thing to say and not that much of a "threat", but even if it were, most people involved here is effectively unpaid and can do whatever they want with their time.
      - parsimo2010 10mo ago
        The point is the original commenter said there’s a risk of these kinds of projects getting shut down. The creator chimed in and claimed there wasn’t much risk, and then someone posted comments from the same creator in the recent past talking about shutting the project down if an upstream change was made, validating the original comment and making the creator sound less valid.
Forgeties79 10mo ago
Just want to say big fan of bazzite! Been running it on my 9800x3d / 9070 rig since April and I have very few complaints
- KyleGospo 10mo ago
  Thank you! Glad you're enjoying it

_cenw 10mo ago

I don't doubt it, but I actually really hate that the build system is a bunch of bash scripts, github actions and assuming the previous stage builds fine. Especially when the custom image forkable repo has an action commented out to squeeze more temporary storage out of GHA hosted runners because some images don't even fit on those (like the gnome-deck). I wish the entire setup was a little more decoupled and maybe allowed you to build multiple stages in one go so the entire system was more "forkable" and less spread out. I went on a bit of a wild goose chase trying to build Bazzite without the Firefox RPM removed (rpm-ostree doesn't like adding and removing and then adding packages again). I did voice that concern in some Bazzite-related spaces before and it felt like it got brushed off with a weird undertone.

KyleGospo 10mo ago
Fork and remove this line: https://github.com/ublue-os/bazzite/blob/main/Containerfile#L194 https://github.com/ublue-os/bazzite/blob/main/Containerfile#... Note that we remove rpm Firefox for security reasons. You do not want your browser to only update with your entire operating system.
- thegeekpirate 10mo ago
  Press "y" before linking to a Github file/line to ensure it stays accurate https://github.com/ublue-os/bazzite/blob/5e8f61a56ca3da02778851621f895c15d01da6ce/Containerfile#L194 https://github.com/ublue-os/bazzite/blob/5e8f61a56ca3da02778...
  - flakes 10mo ago
    I had no idea there was a hotkey for that. Thank you!
    - mikepurvis 10mo ago
      Even better, doing so allows GitHub to insert a source snippet if you paste a link like that into an issue or comment.
      - flakes 10mo ago
        Yeah, I just always used the context windows to set permalink. Saves me a step now!
    - thegeekpirate 10mo ago
      My pleasure!
  - d3Xt3r 10mo ago
    What do you mean by "to ensure it stays accurate"? Why wouldn't it be accurate if you're just copy-pasting the link?
    - fragmede 10mo ago
      is the link to the file as it exists on "main" currently, or at a specific revision, so in three years, it will still refer to that version of the file?
  - _cenw 10mo ago
    This is cool, but also broken. If you click "raw" after pressing y without reloading, the link is still to a tag/branch.

0xakhil 10mo ago

@KyleGospo, Any plans for an arm64 version?

KyleGospo 10mo ago
Yes, it'll happen eventually. I can't promise it'll be a good gaming experience anytime soon though.
- wlesieutre 10mo ago
  With the upcoming Steam Frame relying on FEX, Valve will be throwing a bunch of money making it work well

haunter 10mo ago

Oh no I didn't mean as a personal attack or anything so thanks for taking your time and for the reply! I know the chances are miniscule but there is that 1% in the back of my brain because it happened in the past with some distros I've really liked

KyleGospo 10mo ago
You're good -- didn't take it as one. It's an important question to ask.
mendyberger 10mo ago
Can happen to corporate projects as well. As one example, look at how many projects Google has killed.
- nrklvklfl 10mo ago
  Android will be around for much longer than Bazzite, that I can assure you.
  - MrNiceGuy321 10mo ago
    Also, if you’re into gaming, google play (android) has a lot more games than steam, it’s not even close.
    - berdario 10mo ago
      Ok, but the market is absolutely flooded with exploitative stuff, laden with micro transactions and a trickle of miniscule rewards, in attempt to addict the user, rather than genuinely provide enjoyment. How do you even discover the good games that are worth being played on Android? I'm aware of https://nobsgames.stavros.io/ https://nobsgames.stavros.io/ , but I'm afraid it might not be extremely up-to-date And also, I think that Google Play has a much bigger problem than Steam, when it comes to old games being made unavailable (think EA's zzSunset stuff)
    - oblio 10mo ago

mmh0000 10mo ago

Weren’t you threatening to shutdown Bazzite just a few months ago? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44381265 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44381265

KyleGospo 10mo ago
No, my statement was Fedora was about to shoot itself in the foot and that it'd be easier for Bazzite to not exist than for us to clean up their mess. Note that this was in a change proposal which was rescinded without a vote by it's proposer.
- ffsm8 10mo ago
  Mmh, you definitely misremember that > As much as I’d like this change to happen, it’s too soon. This change would kill off projects like Bazzite entirely right as Fedora is starting to make major headway in the gaming space. > I’m speaking as it’s founder, if this change is actually made as it is written the best option for us is to just go ahead and disband the project. Now, whenever you would've actually shut down the project is a different story, but your messaging was very clear.
  - dralley 10mo ago
    What is the point of this line of questioning? They stated that the proposal as-written would make maintaining projects like Bazzite untenable. That's a valid thing to say and not that much of a "threat", but even if it were, most people involved here is effectively unpaid and can do whatever they want with their time.
    - parsimo2010 10mo ago
      The point is the original commenter said there’s a risk of these kinds of projects getting shut down. The creator chimed in and claimed there wasn’t much risk, and then someone posted comments from the same creator in the recent past talking about shutting the project down if an upstream change was made, validating the original comment and making the creator sound less valid.

Forgeties79 10mo ago

Just want to say big fan of bazzite! Been running it on my 9800x3d / 9070 rig since April and I have very few complaints

KyleGospo 10mo ago
Thank you! Glad you're enjoying it