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Outside of console or handheld like experiences, I am not sure what this distro gives that Mint, proprietary nvidia drivers and Steam dont give me? I basically

by ecshafer 11mo ago

Outside of console or handheld like experiences, I am not sure what this distro gives that Mint, proprietary nvidia drivers and Steam dont give me? I basically just download windows games as external applicationd through steam and use proton. Though I suppose a one click like “run this as proton” and “run this in this proton environment” could be useful. But once you learn how to change targets its not super complicated.

mikae1 11mo ago
It'd give you Plasma, for one. Even if I'm a proponent of uBlue I'd consider Mint if there was a Plasma version. Seems like a great distro.
- ecshafer 11mo ago
  I don’t really care any desktop environment. I use i3. Otherwise I don’t really have much preference between how Firefox, terminal, and Steam are displayed.
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doener 11mo ago
A few points from the website: - Out-of-the-box support for Xbox, Wii, Switch, PS3, PS4, PS5, and numerous other controllers. - Nvidia drivers and the latest Mesa for AMD & Intel pre-installed, with tweaks applied as needed - Bazzite ships with support for additional Wi-Fi adapters, display standards like DisplayLink, and more - Out of the box support for not only desktop PCs, but handhelds, tablets, and home theater PCs.
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saidinesh5 11mo ago
For things like appliances (home theater pcs, gaming consoles etc..) you'd want an immutable rootfs that's resistant to random reboots, power cuts etc.. You'd also want stable, atomic, updates that can go from "one version of system software to the next" without breaking the system. Recently, i had to reinstall my 7 year old arch install because a system upgrade after a year or so broke it... It's not like i can't sit down and fix what went wrong manually, it's just that i wouldn't want to ever worry about these things on my home theater/"gaming console" pc...
scheeseman486 11mo ago
The gamepadui mode that allows you to use the system with only a game controller connected, effectively turning it into a console-style experience, is the main draw.
d3Xt3r 11mo ago
The entire point of Bazzite and other immutables is that you get a rock solid system that you never ever have to worry about breaking. Atomic updates means updates either apply or don't: there's no partial/fail state that can stop your PC from working. And in the rare event that an update has issues, you can instantly boot the previous two images, without typing any commands or using any fancy restore tools. And if you're a bit tech savvy (ie you know how to type a single command), you can even go back upto the last 90 days worth of images (via github). The best part of atomic updates is OS upgrades, they work flawlessly. In fact since updates are delivered as images, an OS upgrade is no different to any other regular update, unlike regular distros like Mint where you have to cross your fingers and hope that your system still works after a dist-upgrade (and I believe Mint's official stance was that they didn't support dist-upgrades, they recommend you to backup, format, clean-install and restore with every OS release. Not sure if that policy has changed now, but that used to be their stance for a very long time).
- Gigachad 11mo ago
  Atomic OSs are such a massive improvement. My experience with traditional Linux disros is the major upgrades failed as often as they worked. And always prompted me to merge config files or other insane stuff. Bazzite just works like I’d expect an iPhone update or a Nintendo switch update to work.
- machomaster 11mo ago
  Mint does support upgrading the OS, both to minor and major versions. I personally installed Mint in 2014 and used the upgrade path until a month ago, when my distro finally started showing bad signs of being experimented on (by me, for 11 years) and it was easier to do a fresh install instead.
  - d3Xt3r 11mo ago
    I know the OS itself does, I meant it wasn't recommended by the team. See these instructions written by the founder Clement himself, especially under section E where they say "We do not even recommend this on the command line, so to have it triggered from the click of a button is just not acceptable to us. It's easy alright, but it's not the right solution." https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/2 https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/2
piaste 11mo ago
There's nothing any UniversalBlue image tweaks that you couldn't tweak yourself. It's just adding/removing packages, adding/removing drivers, a few configuration scripts, and a bunch of tweaks to fix well-known gaming-related issues. But the point is that, if you want to game on Linux, you probably want to perform exactly or almost exactly the same tweaks that Bazzite already does. So why bother doing them yourself? It's not even a linux-from-scratch situation where you'd do it for the sake of learning. Googling "my controller doesn't work right", finding some discussion threads, and copy-pasting a bunch of fixes isn't particularly interesting.

mikae1 11mo ago

It'd give you Plasma, for one. Even if I'm a proponent of uBlue I'd consider Mint if there was a Plasma version. Seems like a great distro.

ecshafer 11mo ago
I don’t really care any desktop environment. I use i3. Otherwise I don’t really have much preference between how Firefox, terminal, and Steam are displayed.
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doener 11mo ago

A few points from the website: - Out-of-the-box support for Xbox, Wii, Switch, PS3, PS4, PS5, and numerous other controllers. - Nvidia drivers and the latest Mesa for AMD & Intel pre-installed, with tweaks applied as needed - Bazzite ships with support for additional Wi-Fi adapters, display standards like DisplayLink, and more - Out of the box support for not only desktop PCs, but handhelds, tablets, and home theater PCs.

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saidinesh5 11mo ago

For things like appliances (home theater pcs, gaming consoles etc..) you'd want an immutable rootfs that's resistant to random reboots, power cuts etc.. You'd also want stable, atomic, updates that can go from "one version of system software to the next" without breaking the system. Recently, i had to reinstall my 7 year old arch install because a system upgrade after a year or so broke it... It's not like i can't sit down and fix what went wrong manually, it's just that i wouldn't want to ever worry about these things on my home theater/"gaming console" pc...

scheeseman486 11mo ago

The gamepadui mode that allows you to use the system with only a game controller connected, effectively turning it into a console-style experience, is the main draw.

d3Xt3r 11mo ago

The entire point of Bazzite and other immutables is that you get a rock solid system that you never ever have to worry about breaking. Atomic updates means updates either apply or don't: there's no partial/fail state that can stop your PC from working. And in the rare event that an update has issues, you can instantly boot the previous two images, without typing any commands or using any fancy restore tools. And if you're a bit tech savvy (ie you know how to type a single command), you can even go back upto the last 90 days worth of images (via github). The best part of atomic updates is OS upgrades, they work flawlessly. In fact since updates are delivered as images, an OS upgrade is no different to any other regular update, unlike regular distros like Mint where you have to cross your fingers and hope that your system still works after a dist-upgrade (and I believe Mint's official stance was that they didn't support dist-upgrades, they recommend you to backup, format, clean-install and restore with every OS release. Not sure if that policy has changed now, but that used to be their stance for a very long time).

Gigachad 11mo ago
Atomic OSs are such a massive improvement. My experience with traditional Linux disros is the major upgrades failed as often as they worked. And always prompted me to merge config files or other insane stuff. Bazzite just works like I’d expect an iPhone update or a Nintendo switch update to work.
machomaster 11mo ago
Mint does support upgrading the OS, both to minor and major versions. I personally installed Mint in 2014 and used the upgrade path until a month ago, when my distro finally started showing bad signs of being experimented on (by me, for 11 years) and it was easier to do a fresh install instead.
- d3Xt3r 11mo ago
  I know the OS itself does, I meant it wasn't recommended by the team. See these instructions written by the founder Clement himself, especially under section E where they say "We do not even recommend this on the command line, so to have it triggered from the click of a button is just not acceptable to us. It's easy alright, but it's not the right solution." https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/2 https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/2

piaste 11mo ago

There's nothing any UniversalBlue image tweaks that you couldn't tweak yourself. It's just adding/removing packages, adding/removing drivers, a few configuration scripts, and a bunch of tweaks to fix well-known gaming-related issues. But the point is that, if you want to game on Linux, you probably want to perform exactly or almost exactly the same tweaks that Bazzite already does. So why bother doing them yourself? It's not even a linux-from-scratch situation where you'd do it for the sake of learning. Googling "my controller doesn't work right", finding some discussion threads, and copy-pasting a bunch of fixes isn't particularly interesting.