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I think if taxpayers were allowed to freely vote for what percentage of their tax dollars went toward, for funsies, I think bait and sting operations would be t

by geor9e 10mo ago

I think if taxpayers were allowed to freely vote for what percentage of their tax dollars went toward, for funsies, I think bait and sting operations would be toward the top of the list. Bait copper, bait bikes, bait suitcases in back seats of cars. Heck, they could probably make a YouTube channel out of it and pay for itself.

para_parolu 10mo ago
I’m surprised there is no YouTuber who would make such a show. Like, add many cameras to the car, put a laptop with GPS on the backseat, and leave the car in the Oakland public parking lot. Then use the videos as proof for the police and the laptop’s location to quickly find the criminal. I don’t think there is a law that prevents it.
- laxis96 10mo ago
  Mark Rober has been doing something like that for package thieves, with overengineered glitter and fart spray
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- cr125rider 10mo ago
  Don’t entrapment laws prevent this? The IRL honeypot? That always seemed silly that you can’t do this.
  - pandaman 10mo ago
    I am not a lawyer, but I don't believe this is entrapment. For entrapment you need to force someone to do a crime they would not do otherwise. Even persuasion is allowed (there are many public cases where an undercover cop organized a crime and everyone who joined were successfully convicted on conspiracy charges). Property crime stings would be extremely effective if the DA and PD really wanted to get criminals in prison.
  - tim333 10mo ago
    Probably but the taxpayers elect the politicians who could change the law.
    - pandaman 10mo ago
      This is not a law issue, this is people not giving any fucks about local elections. Few people know the name of their city mayor, even less know the name of the county's DA and nobody knows their city council rep. And these are the people who affect one's quality of life much more than the POTUS or state's representation in the US Congress. You can have all the laws you want but if the DA does not charge then there is nothing you can do, even if arrested, the criminal walks free. And the police eventually stops investigating and making arrests for the crimes that the DA won't charge. And the DA will get re-elected because the voters, as stated above, have no clue, don't know who is the DA or what does he or she do.
  - tzs 10mo ago
    For it to be entrapment typically the defendant has to show that law enforcement induced them to commit a crime they were not otherwise predisposed to commit. Inducement generally means more than merely providing an opportunity. The officers have to try to persuade you to commit a crime. Purposefully leaving valuables in an unlocked car and prosecuting anyone who took them would probably not be entrapment because normal law abiding people would not take those valuables. The police gave them an opportunity, but the criminal intent originated with the people who took the items.

by geor9e 10mo ago

para_parolu 10mo ago

I’m surprised there is no YouTuber who would make such a show. Like, add many cameras to the car, put a laptop with GPS on the backseat, and leave the car in the Oakland public parking lot. Then use the videos as proof for the police and the laptop’s location to quickly find the criminal. I don’t think there is a law that prevents it.

laxis96 10mo ago
Mark Rober has been doing something like that for package thieves, with overengineered glitter and fart spray
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cr125rider 10mo ago
Don’t entrapment laws prevent this? The IRL honeypot? That always seemed silly that you can’t do this.
- pandaman 10mo ago
  I am not a lawyer, but I don't believe this is entrapment. For entrapment you need to force someone to do a crime they would not do otherwise. Even persuasion is allowed (there are many public cases where an undercover cop organized a crime and everyone who joined were successfully convicted on conspiracy charges). Property crime stings would be extremely effective if the DA and PD really wanted to get criminals in prison.
- tim333 10mo ago
  Probably but the taxpayers elect the politicians who could change the law.
  - pandaman 10mo ago
    This is not a law issue, this is people not giving any fucks about local elections. Few people know the name of their city mayor, even less know the name of the county's DA and nobody knows their city council rep. And these are the people who affect one's quality of life much more than the POTUS or state's representation in the US Congress. You can have all the laws you want but if the DA does not charge then there is nothing you can do, even if arrested, the criminal walks free. And the police eventually stops investigating and making arrests for the crimes that the DA won't charge. And the DA will get re-elected because the voters, as stated above, have no clue, don't know who is the DA or what does he or she do.
- tzs 10mo ago
  For it to be entrapment typically the defendant has to show that law enforcement induced them to commit a crime they were not otherwise predisposed to commit. Inducement generally means more than merely providing an opportunity. The officers have to try to persuade you to commit a crime. Purposefully leaving valuables in an unlocked car and prosecuting anyone who took them would probably not be entrapment because normal law abiding people would not take those valuables. The police gave them an opportunity, but the criminal intent originated with the people who took the items.