5 ms·

I think framework made a misstep with this spornsorship deal. I still think they should be supported in their mission and you don't have to regret your purchase

by pkd 10mo ago

I think framework made a misstep with this spornsorship deal. I still think they should be supported in their mission and you don't have to regret your purchase.

nrp 10mo ago
Point of clarification: we don’t sponsor Omarchy. We did sponsor Rails World, which is put on by the Rails Foundation, because our site is built on Rails. Our full set of sponsorships is here: https://frame.work/blog/framework-sponsorships https://frame.work/blog/framework-sponsorships
- hellcow 10mo ago
  You promoted Omarchy repeatedly on Twitter (much moreso than other distros) and DHH repeatedly promoted Framework in kind. You sent DHH a development device for Omarchy. It's worth noting that DHH is also the chair of the board of the Rails Foundation. So whether it's a sponsorship on your list or not, it's much cozier than I would care to be with someone who holds these views.
- erxam 10mo ago
  [flagged]
  - dangus 10mo ago
    What are you trying to get them to apologize for? By that I mean, what action did Framework take that directly endorsed these specific views? This Twitter drama is so stupid. Framework did effectively nothing and all these chronically online people like yourself are diagnosing every comment anyone has ever said trying to make Framework denounce their alleged endorsement of views that never happened. You might as well jump to the conclusion that the people who programmed the animatronic Hippogriff at universal studios endorse every view that JK Rowling ever had. Idk, like, I understand that it is important for people to have conviction in their views and not just cop out and all that but at some level are people allowed to just not engage in stuff like this and not be forced to make a false apology? “I love KitKats!” “Omg, Nestle uses slaves to farm cocoa for KitKats! Will you apologize for endorsing slavery??” “No…because I never endorsed slavery…I just said I love KitKats.”
    - erxam 10mo ago
      > What are you trying to get them to apologize for? By that I mean, what action did Framework take that directly endorsed these specific views? How about the whole "giving D14HH thousands of dollars for a useless meme distro which does exactly zero novel things"? What is with this epidemic of willful ignorance? >You might as well jump to the conclusion that the people who programmed the animatronic Hippogriff at universal studios endorse every view that JK Rowling ever had. You might be forgetting the power differential between the worker bees and the CEO/board. The latter make the decisions, the former just execute them. Would I prefer if they had carried out a strike? Yes, but I know how hard it can be to put your job on the line, especially for underpaid positions. But if you're the CEO? Shut the fuck up. You can't buy your sixth yacht if you reject the JKR deal? Boo-fucking-hop. > Everyone who bought a Tesla is automatically a Nazi unless they make an apologetic statement when asked about it. Yeah, kinda. That's Musk's whole deal. >Idk, like, I understand that it is important for people to have conviction in their views and not just cop out and all that but at some level are people allowed to just not engage in stuff like this and not be forced to make a false apology? The whole problem is because Framework made a political statement with the donation. If they hadn't done so and just stayed away, then nobody would have ever had an issue, no matter their politics. If you openly make a political statement, what do you think people are going to do?
      - dangus 10mo ago
        The reason we are disagreeing so much is that we can’t agree on what defines a political statement. Take your view on Tesla as an analogy to this: I don’t like Teslas and I don’t like Elon but they sell so many vehicles per year that it’s a statistical impossibility for all their owners to automatically be Nazi sympathizers. The Model Y sells almost as many units as the RAV4. A whole lot of Tesla owners don’t even know who Elon Musk is. Most people are not connected to any of this stupid Twitter drama. Framework hasn’t engaged with this guy in any way that goes beyond technology. They sponsor the rails foundation (not the distro) and maybe gave the dude a dev machine. You call this an open political statement, but I would say it’s the opposite. And now the Framework CEO is being cornered to make a political statement when he never intended to make one in the first place. It’s not like Framework donated to “The DHH Political Foundation for Racism.”
  - fluidcruft 10mo ago
    What's the source of your quote?
- bigyabai 10mo ago
  Even apart from DHH's controversy, I was really puzzled by Framework's online hype-manning of Omarchy. As a consumer and Linux user it made me wary of the Framework brand and uncertain of the project's goals. Promoting a downstream niche project like that is cart-before-horse behavior, my next laptop will be a COTS machine until Framework can sort out their professional ambitions.

by pkd 10mo ago

I think framework made a misstep with this spornsorship deal. I still think they should be supported in their mission and you don't have to regret your purchase.

nrp 10mo ago

Point of clarification: we don’t sponsor Omarchy. We did sponsor Rails World, which is put on by the Rails Foundation, because our site is built on Rails. Our full set of sponsorships is here: https://frame.work/blog/framework-sponsorships https://frame.work/blog/framework-sponsorships

hellcow 10mo ago
You promoted Omarchy repeatedly on Twitter (much moreso than other distros) and DHH repeatedly promoted Framework in kind. You sent DHH a development device for Omarchy. It's worth noting that DHH is also the chair of the board of the Rails Foundation. So whether it's a sponsorship on your list or not, it's much cozier than I would care to be with someone who holds these views.
erxam 10mo ago
[flagged]
- dangus 10mo ago
  What are you trying to get them to apologize for? By that I mean, what action did Framework take that directly endorsed these specific views? This Twitter drama is so stupid. Framework did effectively nothing and all these chronically online people like yourself are diagnosing every comment anyone has ever said trying to make Framework denounce their alleged endorsement of views that never happened. You might as well jump to the conclusion that the people who programmed the animatronic Hippogriff at universal studios endorse every view that JK Rowling ever had. Idk, like, I understand that it is important for people to have conviction in their views and not just cop out and all that but at some level are people allowed to just not engage in stuff like this and not be forced to make a false apology? “I love KitKats!” “Omg, Nestle uses slaves to farm cocoa for KitKats! Will you apologize for endorsing slavery??” “No…because I never endorsed slavery…I just said I love KitKats.”
  - erxam 10mo ago
    > What are you trying to get them to apologize for? By that I mean, what action did Framework take that directly endorsed these specific views? How about the whole "giving D14HH thousands of dollars for a useless meme distro which does exactly zero novel things"? What is with this epidemic of willful ignorance? >You might as well jump to the conclusion that the people who programmed the animatronic Hippogriff at universal studios endorse every view that JK Rowling ever had. You might be forgetting the power differential between the worker bees and the CEO/board. The latter make the decisions, the former just execute them. Would I prefer if they had carried out a strike? Yes, but I know how hard it can be to put your job on the line, especially for underpaid positions. But if you're the CEO? Shut the fuck up. You can't buy your sixth yacht if you reject the JKR deal? Boo-fucking-hop. > Everyone who bought a Tesla is automatically a Nazi unless they make an apologetic statement when asked about it. Yeah, kinda. That's Musk's whole deal. >Idk, like, I understand that it is important for people to have conviction in their views and not just cop out and all that but at some level are people allowed to just not engage in stuff like this and not be forced to make a false apology? The whole problem is because Framework made a political statement with the donation. If they hadn't done so and just stayed away, then nobody would have ever had an issue, no matter their politics. If you openly make a political statement, what do you think people are going to do?
    - dangus 10mo ago
      The reason we are disagreeing so much is that we can’t agree on what defines a political statement. Take your view on Tesla as an analogy to this: I don’t like Teslas and I don’t like Elon but they sell so many vehicles per year that it’s a statistical impossibility for all their owners to automatically be Nazi sympathizers. The Model Y sells almost as many units as the RAV4. A whole lot of Tesla owners don’t even know who Elon Musk is. Most people are not connected to any of this stupid Twitter drama. Framework hasn’t engaged with this guy in any way that goes beyond technology. They sponsor the rails foundation (not the distro) and maybe gave the dude a dev machine. You call this an open political statement, but I would say it’s the opposite. And now the Framework CEO is being cornered to make a political statement when he never intended to make one in the first place. It’s not like Framework donated to “The DHH Political Foundation for Racism.”
- fluidcruft 10mo ago
  What's the source of your quote?
bigyabai 10mo ago
Even apart from DHH's controversy, I was really puzzled by Framework's online hype-manning of Omarchy. As a consumer and Linux user it made me wary of the Framework brand and uncertain of the project's goals. Promoting a downstream niche project like that is cart-before-horse behavior, my next laptop will be a COTS machine until Framework can sort out their professional ambitions.