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They will literally use the christmas holidays to pass this while people are spending time with their families and won't notice it.

baiac 11mo ago
Even if they did, what are they going to do about it?
- hollow-moe 11mo ago
  True, it's sad to see activists needs to be on duty 24/7/365 and yet it's useless if they can't get normal people to follow them and spam the inbox of every single EU employee just to delay more whatever chains they're trying to pass.
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  - eth0up 11mo ago
    24/7/365 That's the equation for Liberty In Extremis. Real Liberty requires time dilation, eternal vigilance, adequate provigil, and plasma rifles.
  - qcnguy 11mo ago
    Spamming EU employees (the correct term to use) is useless not because it requires 24/7 attention but because there is no reason for any EU employee to care. The EU is constitutionally designed to eliminate democratic mechanisms. And as we saw with Brexit, citizens are kept in line by massive threats of punishment if they leave (although in the case of the UK the EU chickened out and showed itself to be a paper tiger).
AstralStorm 11mo ago
It will be challenged in the Tribunal if it passes, and will lose as it is incompatible with baseline EU laws. Specifically, the charter: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/treaty/char_2012/oj/eng https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/treaty/char_2012/oj/eng Article 8 point 2. They're missing the provisions of data retrieval. If available, that would immediately take down the whole monitoring system as a full message history request would have to be available since they don't know which data is private or personally identifying. Additionally, this falls under GDPR legitimate concern category so must be possible to reject by the user. Otherwise it's an involuntary measure making the law contradictory. With this in mind, it's toothless if corrected.

baiac 11mo ago

Even if they did, what are they going to do about it?

hollow-moe 11mo ago
True, it's sad to see activists needs to be on duty 24/7/365 and yet it's useless if they can't get normal people to follow them and spam the inbox of every single EU employee just to delay more whatever chains they're trying to pass.
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- eth0up 11mo ago
  24/7/365 That's the equation for Liberty In Extremis. Real Liberty requires time dilation, eternal vigilance, adequate provigil, and plasma rifles.
- qcnguy 11mo ago
  Spamming EU employees (the correct term to use) is useless not because it requires 24/7 attention but because there is no reason for any EU employee to care. The EU is constitutionally designed to eliminate democratic mechanisms. And as we saw with Brexit, citizens are kept in line by massive threats of punishment if they leave (although in the case of the UK the EU chickened out and showed itself to be a paper tiger).

AstralStorm 11mo ago

It will be challenged in the Tribunal if it passes, and will lose as it is incompatible with baseline EU laws. Specifically, the charter: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/treaty/char_2012/oj/eng https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/treaty/char_2012/oj/eng Article 8 point 2. They're missing the provisions of data retrieval. If available, that would immediately take down the whole monitoring system as a full message history request would have to be available since they don't know which data is private or personally identifying. Additionally, this falls under GDPR legitimate concern category so must be possible to reject by the user. Otherwise it's an involuntary measure making the law contradictory. With this in mind, it's toothless if corrected.