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FBI RFP for tool to scrape Gab, Parler, 8Kun, and Telegram (5k licenses) [pdf]

36 points by sans_souse 11mo ago

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mdhb 11mo ago
They literally planned an insurrection there. I fail to see what’s even remotely controversial about this.
- sans_souse 11mo ago
  It's a lot more than what's listed in the title. Basically every major social media platform is in scope here.
- mindslight 11mo ago
  That is still too kind. The insurrection was planned by the same types of corpo-fascist lobbyists that orchestrated the push of "woke", DEI, advocating for illegal immigration, etc. Take legitimately understandable frustrations, radicalize both sides with a culture war of feel-good half solutions that revolve around blaming their neighbors, smash the divided people into one another, and no matter which "side" "wins" the unaccountable corporate power structure ends up advancing. Online message boards were merely places for recruiting foot soldiers and getting them riled up.
  - mdhb 11mo ago
    I don’t think Steve Bannon is to blame for “wokeness” and your analysis has more than a couple of holes in it.
    - stuffn 11mo ago
      It’s good you took the time to post a critical, fact-based response instead of a trite baseless jab.
      - DoctorOW 11mo ago
        Wouldn't it be better to lead by example? You've yet to give any actual facts or evidence.
    - mindslight 11mo ago
      Yes, Bannon is not to blame for "wokeness" but some of his colleagues most certainly are. Him and his ilk create and emphasize "culture war" distractions to create cover and support for corporate-authoritarian policies that seem to be the bread and butter of both parties. That isn't to say that both sides are the same, that elections don't have consequences, or that Bannon did not contribute his own style of mayhem. If he himself didn't exist we might just have had more of the same less-virulent "RINO" crap of the past few decades, with the reactionary senility still centered around talk radio rather than actually in the White House. But that's not really germane to my point apart from we might not have had an insurrection then. (FWIW I really hate the term "woke" as a punching bag because I am well aware of its etymology. But the thrust of my point was calling out the people who see it as some touchstone for something that must be defeated, serving as justification for why they themselves must pick up the mantle of evil)
  - cluckindan 11mo ago
    All that fits the strategy outlined in Aleksandr Dugin’s book ”The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia”.
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  - undeveloper 11mo ago
    both-sideism doesnt work when one side is actively pushing for non-white residents (citizen or otherwise) to be removed from the country as a whole. the DHS twitter account has started posting about "remigration". this isn't equal culture war stuff!
    - mindslight 11mo ago
      The dynamic of both-sidesism is generally that of absolving one side based on the actions of the other. What I have said has the opposite sense - I am condemning the actions of one side by pointing out they are coming from the exact same place as things they condemn the other side for. Their red pill is "just another system of control", but they reject that fact since it's their turn to pretend to be in control.
- parineum 11mo ago
  The FBI?
KomoD 11mo ago
Page 101 of the part 2 PDF is where the interesting stuff starts, the rest just seems to be boring legal stuff.
- razingeden 11mo ago
  i asked an LLM to parse all three attachments and just explain what the software is and does : https://pastebin.com/p6ibtBpJ https://pastebin.com/p6ibtBpJ tldr, it mines your public social media posts and maps your degree of connection to people who post “extremist” content (guilt by association) and then ties that to any internal private dirt the FBI has on you evades 4th amendment, warrant, FISA types of reporting because its all stuff you chose to post publicly on one of these platforms.
  - stevenicr 11mo ago
    I sometimes wonder the firm defintion(s) of 'public social media' If you post a blog on blogspot or similar it seems the point is to be public. (there could be settings there to make some things non public, I don't remember or know what is current) If you post on a network that requires login to see the posts, is that public? (is twitter / tumbler / fbook all indexed via google / available without login?) If you post on a social network inside a group that requires approval to join, but is free - is that public? If you post something behind a paywall, is that public? If someone shares a photo of you that you DMed a person using a social network.. Snapchat makes things disappear, whatsapp advertises that even they can't see your bad behavior. Did you have a reasonable expectation of privacy in these places? One could argue that stolen photos, texts, books, movies that are posted on a social network are now public. And then I think about the number of people who don't understand what is public and what can be seen by others, and I feel that our apps and hardware should bear some responsibility to remind people that tapping like or making a comment may feel intimate / 1 to 1, but you may be questioned one day very publicly about why you were voting for one kind of thing while giving thumbs up and praise comments to twinks from your official account. Then I wonder what kind of hybrid social systems will be a thing in the future - some sort of encrypted 1 to 1 and 1 to groups thing. It's not just stories like this, but companies scraping tinder profiles and sharing the pictures and such.. People's expectation of privacy and the horrors of that not being a thing will likely cause more and more migrations into privacy proxy identity avatar agents; which will likely lead to less data for the big companies where the data knowledge is the gold.
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fuckinpuppers 11mo ago
In the future it would be a great way to look for domestic terrorism networks, since that was the greatest threat previously. This sounds more like a recruiting tool for the current administration.
hulitu 11mo ago
> FBI RFP for tool to scrape Gab, Parler, 8Kun, and Telegram (5k licenses) [pdf] Can't they ask NSA nicely ?

36 points by sans_souse 11mo ago

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mdhb 11mo ago

They literally planned an insurrection there. I fail to see what’s even remotely controversial about this.

sans_souse 11mo ago
It's a lot more than what's listed in the title. Basically every major social media platform is in scope here.
mindslight 11mo ago
That is still too kind. The insurrection was planned by the same types of corpo-fascist lobbyists that orchestrated the push of "woke", DEI, advocating for illegal immigration, etc. Take legitimately understandable frustrations, radicalize both sides with a culture war of feel-good half solutions that revolve around blaming their neighbors, smash the divided people into one another, and no matter which "side" "wins" the unaccountable corporate power structure ends up advancing. Online message boards were merely places for recruiting foot soldiers and getting them riled up.
- mdhb 11mo ago
  I don’t think Steve Bannon is to blame for “wokeness” and your analysis has more than a couple of holes in it.
  - stuffn 11mo ago
    It’s good you took the time to post a critical, fact-based response instead of a trite baseless jab.
    - DoctorOW 11mo ago
      Wouldn't it be better to lead by example? You've yet to give any actual facts or evidence.
  - mindslight 11mo ago
    Yes, Bannon is not to blame for "wokeness" but some of his colleagues most certainly are. Him and his ilk create and emphasize "culture war" distractions to create cover and support for corporate-authoritarian policies that seem to be the bread and butter of both parties. That isn't to say that both sides are the same, that elections don't have consequences, or that Bannon did not contribute his own style of mayhem. If he himself didn't exist we might just have had more of the same less-virulent "RINO" crap of the past few decades, with the reactionary senility still centered around talk radio rather than actually in the White House. But that's not really germane to my point apart from we might not have had an insurrection then. (FWIW I really hate the term "woke" as a punching bag because I am well aware of its etymology. But the thrust of my point was calling out the people who see it as some touchstone for something that must be defeated, serving as justification for why they themselves must pick up the mantle of evil)
- cluckindan 11mo ago
  All that fits the strategy outlined in Aleksandr Dugin’s book ”The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia”.
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- undeveloper 11mo ago
  both-sideism doesnt work when one side is actively pushing for non-white residents (citizen or otherwise) to be removed from the country as a whole. the DHS twitter account has started posting about "remigration". this isn't equal culture war stuff!
  - mindslight 11mo ago
    The dynamic of both-sidesism is generally that of absolving one side based on the actions of the other. What I have said has the opposite sense - I am condemning the actions of one side by pointing out they are coming from the exact same place as things they condemn the other side for. Their red pill is "just another system of control", but they reject that fact since it's their turn to pretend to be in control.
parineum 11mo ago
The FBI?

KomoD 11mo ago

Page 101 of the part 2 PDF is where the interesting stuff starts, the rest just seems to be boring legal stuff.

razingeden 11mo ago
i asked an LLM to parse all three attachments and just explain what the software is and does : https://pastebin.com/p6ibtBpJ https://pastebin.com/p6ibtBpJ tldr, it mines your public social media posts and maps your degree of connection to people who post “extremist” content (guilt by association) and then ties that to any internal private dirt the FBI has on you evades 4th amendment, warrant, FISA types of reporting because its all stuff you chose to post publicly on one of these platforms.
- stevenicr 11mo ago
  I sometimes wonder the firm defintion(s) of 'public social media' If you post a blog on blogspot or similar it seems the point is to be public. (there could be settings there to make some things non public, I don't remember or know what is current) If you post on a network that requires login to see the posts, is that public? (is twitter / tumbler / fbook all indexed via google / available without login?) If you post on a social network inside a group that requires approval to join, but is free - is that public? If you post something behind a paywall, is that public? If someone shares a photo of you that you DMed a person using a social network.. Snapchat makes things disappear, whatsapp advertises that even they can't see your bad behavior. Did you have a reasonable expectation of privacy in these places? One could argue that stolen photos, texts, books, movies that are posted on a social network are now public. And then I think about the number of people who don't understand what is public and what can be seen by others, and I feel that our apps and hardware should bear some responsibility to remind people that tapping like or making a comment may feel intimate / 1 to 1, but you may be questioned one day very publicly about why you were voting for one kind of thing while giving thumbs up and praise comments to twinks from your official account. Then I wonder what kind of hybrid social systems will be a thing in the future - some sort of encrypted 1 to 1 and 1 to groups thing. It's not just stories like this, but companies scraping tinder profiles and sharing the pictures and such.. People's expectation of privacy and the horrors of that not being a thing will likely cause more and more migrations into privacy proxy identity avatar agents; which will likely lead to less data for the big companies where the data knowledge is the gold.

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fuckinpuppers 11mo ago

In the future it would be a great way to look for domestic terrorism networks, since that was the greatest threat previously. This sounds more like a recruiting tool for the current administration.

hulitu 11mo ago

> FBI RFP for tool to scrape Gab, Parler, 8Kun, and Telegram (5k licenses) [pdf] Can't they ask NSA nicely ?