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Redundant. Bored. I'm coming to SFO. Tight budget.

26 points by geoffw8 18y ago

Hello all, Message from someone fed up of seeing the same things every day. Wants to live a little. I've recently been a victim of the redundancies here in the UK, I was previously at Blyk (about.blyk.com), as an everything guy. I worked on PR projects, assisted in developing the mobile content portal proposition, managed the online channel, mobile design and production. They liked my mind, and applied it to lots. I'm pretty fed up of the UK and am endeared by the states and the start-up scene. I can find flights for £350 from Heathrow to SFO, which leaves accommodation to be found. I'm on an incredibly tight budget. So I'd be incredibly appreciative if anybody: - Knows of a reasonably priced room going, or has a spare room - Knows of an available position (I can imagine they are few and far between) - Will trade work for board About me: I'm 19, left school at 17. Joined Blyk, there for nearly 2 years. Worked 3 roles in Marketing and Creative. I'm a normal kinda guy. British. Dashing. Charming. Modest. Have been living in central London for the last 2 years. Versatile, hungry for knowledge. I just need to get out there and then make the next steps. When do I want to leave? As soon as Monday. I truly appreciate any help or comments, I'll be refreshing every 10-20 seconds! Many thanks, Geoff Wright

geoffw8 18y ago
Note: I'm not ruling any other cities out either. NYC, Boston etc : )
critic 18y ago
Unless you have a green card, if you say that at the border (that you are coming to the US to look for work), you'll be deemed inadmissible. It will also be illegal for you to be self-employed, work without authorization, "trade work for board", or start a startup, once you are here. Basically, you'll probably need to find a company that can sponsor H1B (but I'm not sure if that can happen for people who didn't finish college)
- ichverstehe 18y ago
  Fuck. Suddenly I love EU. Edit: As a EU citizen you can get a work permit in any countries in the European Union. Not sure if that's appealing to you, though.
  - geoffw8 18y ago
    'Fuck. Suddenly I love EU.' Yea - me too! It is massively, I think that might be the way forward. Thanks : )
    - danw 18y ago
      Berlin - Cheaper than London but has a startup community
      - gibsonf1 18y ago
        I definitely like Berlin - considered living there for a year (I speak German which makes it easier). It is a city of experiments, both good and bad, full of great art, and a very active night-life scene.
        mcxx 18y ago
        Do people speak good English? How hard do you think it would be for a foreigner (not speaking German) to get around in Berlin?
        bbb 18y ago
        In the startup scene and among anyone with a technology-oriented college education, it won't be a problem at all. Almost all Germans learn some English in high school, and most retain enough to at least a have basic dialog. In short: working in the startup scene won't be a problem; grocery shopping might be an adventure. ;-)
        davidw 18y ago
        In most major European cities, you can "get by" with English. The problem is that "getting by" is not that satisfying, and after a while you start wanting to be able to communicate in more meaningful ways, and the only way to do that is to either limit yourself to the people that speak English really well (which are fewer in number, and who, in any case, also have friends themselves who don't speak English so well), or learn the local language.
- mtrimpe 18y ago
  I was about to do the same, but then work for free possible in exchange for a license of the company's software. Is it legal to work for free like this in the US though? I can pony up a couple grand and do a housing swap which should allow me to live decently in SF and let me work with a truly interesting tech company for a change ...
  - eli 18y ago
    I suspect you could get away with it, but that's probably illegal. Ask a lawyer if you want a real answer.
  - petercooper 18y ago
    No. You can not "work." That means doing anything for any sort of compensation. That includes working for your own business. People do it - but people have broken the law since day one, so you have to make your own decisions and take any possible consequences. Disclaimer: IANAL, but I spent time with one trying to get on top of this very issue.
    - mtrimpe 18y ago
      So if I did it without the license as compensation it could be classified as a really weird holiday and then it would be legal?
      - petercooper 18y ago
        Depends on your definition of "legal." It'd still be "work." You need to think whether a US border agent would let you in if you told them the truth. I once told an agent I was going to help a friend set up who'd just moved into a new house.. even that got me in the interrogation room! You need to have your entire story planned out before you get to the agent whether your entry is for legitimate purposes, arguable purposes, or illegitimate purposes. It doesn't matter which - and then stick to it. I go to the US legitimately, and often they throw some real curveballs that, if you hadn't got a clear picture in your head, could get you into trouble fast.
markessien 18y ago
Finish school, if you're hard up go to continental europe where there are free schools. Work on the side. What's your plan? How far do you think you will come without a school education and no concrete skills like programming?
- geoffw8 18y ago
  You sound like a pessimist? And a bit of a grump. I'm in the UK, where the schools are free. With no disrespect, and I may well be misinterpreting the tone of your response, but at 17 I was given a position in one of Europe's hottest start-ups, I looked after a team of 6, jetted around Europe in fancy-class flights, stayed in swanky hotels and had an expense account. Between two of us we developed Blyk's innovative ad production and delivery process that is currently being rolled out globally, and I might add, are currently in the process of patenting. I was responsible for the UK's main consumer site and b2b site and in September 06 (when I were a wee lad) project managed the launch of our 50 launch campaigns which included clients such as Visa, Coke, Sky, Xbox,Ford, Apple and many other fairly big companies. ...all without an education. I may have summed up my skill-set in 50 words, but that doesn't mean I'm average at it. One for you: 'concrete skills like programming'? ; )
  - markessien 18y ago
    At 19 I made enough money to last for the next 15 years. Let's not measure success by the past. You have your entire life ahead of you to make money. Even the most average 35 year olds are living fine enough with standard jobs. But you don't have your entire life to get an education and acquire skills you would not have otherwise. You have about 10 more years, after that period, you'll not want to go back to school. So, why not get it done with now that you can still have fun at school, and then make your fortune afterwards? Is there something in particular that has to happen right now? If you said you were heading west to start your business, I'd say fine, your fortune depends on your skill. But you're heading there to get a JOB. And the first thing they look for is your education. Which you don't have. You really want to go through the rest of your life explaining why you could not finish college? In a year you can get it done with and then start out the adventure without bad cards. Yes, I'm being a bit of a buzzkill here, but for me it just does not seem sensible to head off to a new country without an education, without any money, and without any place to stay. But, every man has to find his path.
Mystalic 18y ago
I am...humbled by your energy. But you have to get the legal issues out first. You can't work without authorization in the U.S., period. SFO is an expensive place to live without a position or freelance clients. But you will learn.
- bobber 18y ago
  London isn't exactly cheap either...
  - geoffw8 18y ago
    Very true!
  - fauigerzigerk 18y ago
    True, but it has recently become almost as cheap as Iceland ;-) http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=GBPUSD=X#chart2:symbol=gbpusd=x;range=1y;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=GBPUSD=X#chart2:symbol=gb...
geoffw8 18y ago
Its looking like my immediate travel plans will become "Will travel once have legal issues ironed out". I'll start sorting this lot out asap. Thanks for points! Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr for Geoff.
jskopek 18y ago
I'm in the exact same boat as you - a Canadian hoping to move to the States for work in the coming months. I've found a potential employer, and we've done a little research into the matter. What we've discovered is that the US-based employer needs to apply for an I-129, which I then take to a US Consulate and trade in for a 12-month temporary work visa. We've found this resource very useful: http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a7cc6138f898d010VgnVCM10000048f3d6a1RCRD&vgnextchannel=48819c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f... Good luck! I'm hoping we both end up making it to SFO
- cperciva 18y ago
  Do you not have the qualifications needed to apply for TN status? My understanding is that you can get TN status at the border.
bobber 18y ago
Im in exactly same position as you, except Im 24 and have finished college. Also in London but would love to trade it in for life in SFO. Currently working for a startup here, but not sure about their future. Im thinking the best route is to a) find a job with an american/multinational company and transfer b) stow away aboard a cruise ship Any advice?
- critic 18y ago
  I've heard London is actually the best place in the world in terms of salary for IT workers and programmers. Why are you all coming to Cal: for palm trees, or the gay scene in SF? (serious question)
  - markessien 18y ago
    London is drab, grey and expensive. It's not at all a relaxed place, and whatever you make you'll spend again on overpriced items. I'm not fond of london at all, there are much better places to live in europe.
    - jackowayed 18y ago
      The Bay Area is really expensive too. Especially when it comes to housing.
      - dazzla 18y ago
        Cost of living in London is number 3 in the world. San Francisco is number 78. http://www.citymayors.com/features/cost_survey.html http://www.citymayors.com/features/cost_survey.html
        markessien 18y ago
        Why would Shanghai be so high on the list? It did not seem that expensive to me.
        nostrademons 18y ago
kwamenum86 18y ago
"Dashing. Charming. Modest." Funny.
jaaron 18y ago
As others have mentioned, visa requirements make this sort of travel impossible. It's a shame, too. If you're set on leaving the UK, you may want to consider other destinations. I'm currently living in Hong Kong and you shouldn't have too much trouble getting here. You'd still need to get a work or investment visa to be able to properly live here, but it would be easier than in the US. Finally, getting an education during the recession isn't a bad idea. The investment in yourself could be the best use of your time and money now.
- markessien 18y ago
  Hong Kong is great. I'm planning to work there for a bit a bit in the future.
  - alizaki 18y ago
    Singapore. Thriving startup community. VERY oool govt + system, liberal visa policy I just moved my startup from SF there, consolidated our employees across the world and got money to do it too from the Govt.
    - markessien 18y ago
      But Singapore is boring lah...
    - sho 18y ago
      "VERY cool govt + system" You have got to be fucking kidding me. Yeah, oral sex is illegal, that is "VERY cool". Maybe the biz aspect works for you, and the MRT is good, but I just have this very nasty feeling about governments like that.
      - falsestprophet 18y ago
        Sodomy, including heterosexual oral sex, was illegal in many places in the United States until the Lawrence vs. Texas decision in 2003.
conesus 18y ago
I like your style. Do you keep a blog? You probably should start with making yourself established, at least to a few people, over the internet. If people know you by your writing, then it will become easier to ask them for accommodations and work. This works for a number of "indie" (read: part-time and/or hobbyist) developers. Try to make friends with other London bloggers and you might find that what you're looking for is in your backward. London is HUGE. I used to live in New Cross (SE London - SE14), and I used to think about how many damn talented engineers and internet devs I used to silently pass each day on my way to Central London. I live in NYC now, and at 23, I have similar qualms about missing the important first-steps to start-up success. But take it easy until you at least establish yourself with others who may very well take you to your next connection.
- geoffw8 18y ago
  No I don't actually, although oddly I did start writing a post last night... I probably should finish it off. I do the same 'I wonder if they're...' analysis! Thanks for the pointers : )
- geoffw8 18y ago
  I do now... http://thisisnexttime.wordpress.com http://thisisnexttime.wordpress.com.
sho 18y ago
Why would you go to the USA? Getting a work permit there is a nightmare. Not to mention their current .. uh, "difficulties". As a Pommie Bastard your 2 best options IMO are: - working holiday in Australia (you're eligible up to 18 months I think, you will have NO problems extending to a full work visa) - teach english in Japan (I think the WH visa is good for 12 months) (can be surprisingly good) Obviously I reckon AU is your best bet, we won't be hit anywhere near as hard as other countries by the current "troubles". Or, if you can't stand your criminal ancestors, I recommend a tour of duty in Asia - Taiwan, Korea, Shanghai. That's where the future lies, after all. May not be a good idea if you're a breast man. I like SF and all but kinda thinking this is exactly the wrong time. The visa problems are just the icing on the bad idea cake.
- geoffw8 18y ago
  "May not be a good idea if you're a breast man." Comment of the thread!
- patio11 18y ago
  * teach english in Japan * You will find that this almost universally requires a degree from a 4 year university. They don't care if it is a 4 year degree in Dog Care, but it has to be a 4 year degree.
  - sho 18y ago
    For the big schools that is apparently true, but I wouldn't work for them anyway. There are billions of smaller schools who will judge on personality. Well, none of the people I know have 4 year degrees anyway. Some don't even have 3 year degrees .. Anyway, it's not going to be the hot startup break the OP seems to be seeking, but I know some guys who have done it for a break and they really enjoyed the experience, plus should be able to work in on a UK passport.
gasull 18y ago
I was in your situation. I came to California and tried to get a job, but getting a work visa is almost impossible. I tried actually twice, both times using all the 90 days allowed with a tourist visa. Result: I went back to Europe and worked for an American company in Ireland, then visited my girlfriend in California and we ended up married. So yes, I live in California now, but: - This is not the way I thought I'd get a visa. - In the beginning we thought sometimes about moving to Europe. My work permit took very long. Months. - For the most part today you don't need VCs anymore, so you can start your company pretty much anywhere. Also, in some parts of the EU the economy is better than here. Denmark is already out of recession. Good luck.
- sh1mmer 18y ago
  I got relocated by an American corporate on an L1 Blanket which was relatively easy and now I'm applying for a Green Card through said corporation. That said it'll have been 3 years to be home free assuming I get my green card in the next 2 (I've been told that's likely). Being married to an American I have a get out of jail free card but I wouldn't recommend that for visa purposes only. ;)
wavesplash 18y ago
If you do make it over, here's a great resource for cheap short-term housing: http://www.airbnb.com/ http://www.airbnb.com/
- geoffw8 18y ago
  Corr - very good resource! Thanks!
shaunxcode 18y ago
My advice to you is to just do it. I did the same when I was 18 but in the other direction (orem, utah to manchester uk). I just went there w/o a high school diploma or college education - but with a good dose of real world experience - and kept applying for jobs until I found a place that could hook up a work permit for a skilled tech worker. I eventually got a 6 year work permit and loved every minute of it. As it was a "council job" they even payed for my OU courses! I actually had indefinite leave to remain but I lost that as I have not gone back in over 2 years (I have been back in utah almost 3 years now). Essentially - if you have confidence in yourself and your skills you WILL make it work.
revelude 18y ago
Troll! This guy stole all your little life-plan wet dreams, and spoonfed them right back to you in a Sunday morning gimmick post. Gold!
danw 18y ago
Pick up freelance clients in the UK, then work remotely in SF for 3 months on the visa waiver? (This is the gist of something I'm considering right now)
colinplamondon 18y ago
Geoff, you should really add an email address to your profile. My startup isn't bringing on new contractors right now, but when we are you're exactly the kind of person we'd be looking for. Virtually contact-information-pimp yourself out more :)
mihasya 18y ago
Why of course. You can come stay in the closet of my studio apartment. I'll feed you and clothe you until we can find just the right opportunity for your brilliant mind! I know we're supposed to be "nice," but this is absurd. Go back to school and NEVER say about yourself that you are "dashing" or "charming" - no matter how tongue-in-cheek you try to make it sound, you just come off sounding like the exact opposite. Upon reading more of your responses, I'm further convinced that you should stay where you are. Nobody cares about your fancy "cross flights." Right now is certainly not the time to abandon everything and come to California.
- pg 18y ago
  Please don't get personal like this. If you don't want to help the guy, just don't say anything.
- geoffw8 18y ago
  1. I'm not after a freebie, I clearly stated that I'm happy to pay 2. I don't need a personal job-seeker, I'm more than capable (but thanks) 3. I wasn't being tongue-in-cheek - I am, in fact, quite dashing and can be quite charming. But never make a show of it. 4. Are you speaking on behalf of the whole nation? Or just arsehole club? 5. I don't understand why you're on the offence? To be honest, I was pretty impressed with the discussion that come about from my post. Since I posted my initial question some pretty good resources have been mentioned. For instance, Berlin and their scene, then discussion around language barriers. OK, 3's a joke. But lighten up.
ksvs 18y ago
Knows of a reasonably priced room going, or has a spare room You want http://airbnb.com http://airbnb.com
- brianchesky 18y ago
  A number of our hosts are also involved in startups, so it may also be a great way to meet people in the bay area. http://airbnb.com/travel/san-francisco/ca http://airbnb.com/travel/san-francisco/ca
menloparkbum 18y ago
You might want to visit, the weather has been unseasonably warm. Tell immigration that you are a tourist on vacation. Don't mention working or trying to find work. There are hostels in SF where you can stay for cheap. Most are in the Tenderloin/Financial area. I've never seen the inside of those. I have actually stayed at one hostel, to check it out for a traveler friend. Element Hostel. It is in the same building as Medjool, quite possibly the stupidest nightclub in the city. It's a good hostel, though, and I think the only one located outside of downtown. http://www.yelp.com/biz/elements-hotel-san-francisco http://www.yelp.com/biz/elements-hotel-san-francisco The mission is a bit grimy but at least its where the young do their thing. Also I'd actually just do a vacation, the Bay Area is a nice vacation spot. Tons of stuff to do and see.
- geoffw8 18y ago
  Thanks, that place looks pretty cool. The second review down made me chuckle. Nice one, cheers.
  - ktom 18y ago
    Heading to SF for a short period seems like a good idea. Since you don't seem to have a network there, it is probably a good idea to do a recon trip. This also works well with the visa situation. It is probably considerably easier to meet people willing to sponsor you if you meet them in person, so just take a "vacation" to SF and plant your seeds. This also gives you the chance to see if you really like SF, although i would be surprised if you didn't like it. Good luck!
paulgb 18y ago
I just moved to SF from Canada for 8 months. I'm also 19. The process took about two months and cost over $1,000, including health insurance but not the flight. I was lucky because I'm a Canadian citizen, I'm currently attending University (took a term off to be here), I'm returning to finish my degree at the end of it, and I had a job lined up, all of which helped to make things a lot easier. I admire your sense of adventure, and I don't want to discourage you from moving here. Just be aware that it will involve a fair bit of patience and frustration. Good luck!
cvg 18y ago
While you are looking for more permanent housing, try http://www.couchsurfing.com/ http://www.couchsurfing.com/ . People offer up spare sleeping space for free. Should let you see where in the bay area you want to stay.
pclark 18y ago
hows your ruby fu?
pclark 18y ago
can you code? what are your skills?
jMac 18y ago
All - I employed Geoff a few years ago and he is a total and uter genius. If I was hiring now, he would be first on the list. Geoff - I would look at the Central Europe options....happy to intro you to many people in startup land. Good luck buddy and I am here for ya if you need a reference.

26 points by geoffw8 18y ago

geoffw8 18y ago

Note: I'm not ruling any other cities out either. NYC, Boston etc : )

critic 18y ago

Unless you have a green card, if you say that at the border (that you are coming to the US to look for work), you'll be deemed inadmissible. It will also be illegal for you to be self-employed, work without authorization, "trade work for board", or start a startup, once you are here. Basically, you'll probably need to find a company that can sponsor H1B (but I'm not sure if that can happen for people who didn't finish college)

ichverstehe 18y ago
Fuck. Suddenly I love EU. Edit: As a EU citizen you can get a work permit in any countries in the European Union. Not sure if that's appealing to you, though.
- geoffw8 18y ago
  'Fuck. Suddenly I love EU.' Yea - me too! It is massively, I think that might be the way forward. Thanks : )
  - danw 18y ago
    Berlin - Cheaper than London but has a startup community
    - gibsonf1 18y ago
      I definitely like Berlin - considered living there for a year (I speak German which makes it easier). It is a city of experiments, both good and bad, full of great art, and a very active night-life scene.
      - mcxx 18y ago
        Do people speak good English? How hard do you think it would be for a foreigner (not speaking German) to get around in Berlin?
        bbb 18y ago
        In the startup scene and among anyone with a technology-oriented college education, it won't be a problem at all. Almost all Germans learn some English in high school, and most retain enough to at least a have basic dialog. In short: working in the startup scene won't be a problem; grocery shopping might be an adventure. ;-)
        davidw 18y ago
        In most major European cities, you can "get by" with English. The problem is that "getting by" is not that satisfying, and after a while you start wanting to be able to communicate in more meaningful ways, and the only way to do that is to either limit yourself to the people that speak English really well (which are fewer in number, and who, in any case, also have friends themselves who don't speak English so well), or learn the local language.
mtrimpe 18y ago
I was about to do the same, but then work for free possible in exchange for a license of the company's software. Is it legal to work for free like this in the US though? I can pony up a couple grand and do a housing swap which should allow me to live decently in SF and let me work with a truly interesting tech company for a change ...
- eli 18y ago
  I suspect you could get away with it, but that's probably illegal. Ask a lawyer if you want a real answer.
- petercooper 18y ago
  No. You can not "work." That means doing anything for any sort of compensation. That includes working for your own business. People do it - but people have broken the law since day one, so you have to make your own decisions and take any possible consequences. Disclaimer: IANAL, but I spent time with one trying to get on top of this very issue.
  - mtrimpe 18y ago
    So if I did it without the license as compensation it could be classified as a really weird holiday and then it would be legal?
    - petercooper 18y ago
      Depends on your definition of "legal." It'd still be "work." You need to think whether a US border agent would let you in if you told them the truth. I once told an agent I was going to help a friend set up who'd just moved into a new house.. even that got me in the interrogation room! You need to have your entire story planned out before you get to the agent whether your entry is for legitimate purposes, arguable purposes, or illegitimate purposes. It doesn't matter which - and then stick to it. I go to the US legitimately, and often they throw some real curveballs that, if you hadn't got a clear picture in your head, could get you into trouble fast.

markessien 18y ago

Finish school, if you're hard up go to continental europe where there are free schools. Work on the side. What's your plan? How far do you think you will come without a school education and no concrete skills like programming?

geoffw8 18y ago
You sound like a pessimist? And a bit of a grump. I'm in the UK, where the schools are free. With no disrespect, and I may well be misinterpreting the tone of your response, but at 17 I was given a position in one of Europe's hottest start-ups, I looked after a team of 6, jetted around Europe in fancy-class flights, stayed in swanky hotels and had an expense account. Between two of us we developed Blyk's innovative ad production and delivery process that is currently being rolled out globally, and I might add, are currently in the process of patenting. I was responsible for the UK's main consumer site and b2b site and in September 06 (when I were a wee lad) project managed the launch of our 50 launch campaigns which included clients such as Visa, Coke, Sky, Xbox,Ford, Apple and many other fairly big companies. ...all without an education. I may have summed up my skill-set in 50 words, but that doesn't mean I'm average at it. One for you: 'concrete skills like programming'? ; )
- markessien 18y ago
  At 19 I made enough money to last for the next 15 years. Let's not measure success by the past. You have your entire life ahead of you to make money. Even the most average 35 year olds are living fine enough with standard jobs. But you don't have your entire life to get an education and acquire skills you would not have otherwise. You have about 10 more years, after that period, you'll not want to go back to school. So, why not get it done with now that you can still have fun at school, and then make your fortune afterwards? Is there something in particular that has to happen right now? If you said you were heading west to start your business, I'd say fine, your fortune depends on your skill. But you're heading there to get a JOB. And the first thing they look for is your education. Which you don't have. You really want to go through the rest of your life explaining why you could not finish college? In a year you can get it done with and then start out the adventure without bad cards. Yes, I'm being a bit of a buzzkill here, but for me it just does not seem sensible to head off to a new country without an education, without any money, and without any place to stay. But, every man has to find his path.

Mystalic 18y ago

I am...humbled by your energy. But you have to get the legal issues out first. You can't work without authorization in the U.S., period. SFO is an expensive place to live without a position or freelance clients. But you will learn.

bobber 18y ago
London isn't exactly cheap either...
- geoffw8 18y ago
  Very true!
- fauigerzigerk 18y ago
  True, but it has recently become almost as cheap as Iceland ;-) http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=GBPUSD=X#chart2:symbol=gbpusd=x;range=1y;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=GBPUSD=X#chart2:symbol=gb...

geoffw8 18y ago

Its looking like my immediate travel plans will become "Will travel once have legal issues ironed out". I'll start sorting this lot out asap. Thanks for points! Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr for Geoff.

jskopek 18y ago

I'm in the exact same boat as you - a Canadian hoping to move to the States for work in the coming months. I've found a potential employer, and we've done a little research into the matter. What we've discovered is that the US-based employer needs to apply for an I-129, which I then take to a US Consulate and trade in for a 12-month temporary work visa. We've found this resource very useful: http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a7cc6138f898d010VgnVCM10000048f3d6a1RCRD&vgnextchannel=48819c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f... Good luck! I'm hoping we both end up making it to SFO

cperciva 18y ago
Do you not have the qualifications needed to apply for TN status? My understanding is that you can get TN status at the border.

bobber 18y ago

Im in exactly same position as you, except Im 24 and have finished college. Also in London but would love to trade it in for life in SFO. Currently working for a startup here, but not sure about their future. Im thinking the best route is to a) find a job with an american/multinational company and transfer b) stow away aboard a cruise ship Any advice?

critic 18y ago
I've heard London is actually the best place in the world in terms of salary for IT workers and programmers. Why are you all coming to Cal: for palm trees, or the gay scene in SF? (serious question)
- markessien 18y ago
  London is drab, grey and expensive. It's not at all a relaxed place, and whatever you make you'll spend again on overpriced items. I'm not fond of london at all, there are much better places to live in europe.
  - jackowayed 18y ago
    The Bay Area is really expensive too. Especially when it comes to housing.
    - dazzla 18y ago
      Cost of living in London is number 3 in the world. San Francisco is number 78. http://www.citymayors.com/features/cost_survey.html http://www.citymayors.com/features/cost_survey.html
      - markessien 18y ago
        Why would Shanghai be so high on the list? It did not seem that expensive to me.
      - nostrademons 18y ago

kwamenum86 18y ago

"Dashing. Charming. Modest." Funny.

jaaron 18y ago

As others have mentioned, visa requirements make this sort of travel impossible. It's a shame, too. If you're set on leaving the UK, you may want to consider other destinations. I'm currently living in Hong Kong and you shouldn't have too much trouble getting here. You'd still need to get a work or investment visa to be able to properly live here, but it would be easier than in the US. Finally, getting an education during the recession isn't a bad idea. The investment in yourself could be the best use of your time and money now.

markessien 18y ago
Hong Kong is great. I'm planning to work there for a bit a bit in the future.
- alizaki 18y ago
  Singapore. Thriving startup community. VERY oool govt + system, liberal visa policy I just moved my startup from SF there, consolidated our employees across the world and got money to do it too from the Govt.
  - markessien 18y ago
    But Singapore is boring lah...
  - sho 18y ago
    "VERY cool govt + system" You have got to be fucking kidding me. Yeah, oral sex is illegal, that is "VERY cool". Maybe the biz aspect works for you, and the MRT is good, but I just have this very nasty feeling about governments like that.
    - falsestprophet 18y ago
      Sodomy, including heterosexual oral sex, was illegal in many places in the United States until the Lawrence vs. Texas decision in 2003.

conesus 18y ago

I like your style. Do you keep a blog? You probably should start with making yourself established, at least to a few people, over the internet. If people know you by your writing, then it will become easier to ask them for accommodations and work. This works for a number of "indie" (read: part-time and/or hobbyist) developers. Try to make friends with other London bloggers and you might find that what you're looking for is in your backward. London is HUGE. I used to live in New Cross (SE London - SE14), and I used to think about how many damn talented engineers and internet devs I used to silently pass each day on my way to Central London. I live in NYC now, and at 23, I have similar qualms about missing the important first-steps to start-up success. But take it easy until you at least establish yourself with others who may very well take you to your next connection.

geoffw8 18y ago
No I don't actually, although oddly I did start writing a post last night... I probably should finish it off. I do the same 'I wonder if they're...' analysis! Thanks for the pointers : )
geoffw8 18y ago
I do now... http://thisisnexttime.wordpress.com http://thisisnexttime.wordpress.com.

sho 18y ago

Why would you go to the USA? Getting a work permit there is a nightmare. Not to mention their current .. uh, "difficulties". As a Pommie Bastard your 2 best options IMO are: - working holiday in Australia (you're eligible up to 18 months I think, you will have NO problems extending to a full work visa) - teach english in Japan (I think the WH visa is good for 12 months) (can be surprisingly good) Obviously I reckon AU is your best bet, we won't be hit anywhere near as hard as other countries by the current "troubles". Or, if you can't stand your criminal ancestors, I recommend a tour of duty in Asia - Taiwan, Korea, Shanghai. That's where the future lies, after all. May not be a good idea if you're a breast man. I like SF and all but kinda thinking this is exactly the wrong time. The visa problems are just the icing on the bad idea cake.

geoffw8 18y ago
"May not be a good idea if you're a breast man." Comment of the thread!
patio11 18y ago
* teach english in Japan * You will find that this almost universally requires a degree from a 4 year university. They don't care if it is a 4 year degree in Dog Care, but it has to be a 4 year degree.
- sho 18y ago
  For the big schools that is apparently true, but I wouldn't work for them anyway. There are billions of smaller schools who will judge on personality. Well, none of the people I know have 4 year degrees anyway. Some don't even have 3 year degrees .. Anyway, it's not going to be the hot startup break the OP seems to be seeking, but I know some guys who have done it for a break and they really enjoyed the experience, plus should be able to work in on a UK passport.

gasull 18y ago

I was in your situation. I came to California and tried to get a job, but getting a work visa is almost impossible. I tried actually twice, both times using all the 90 days allowed with a tourist visa. Result: I went back to Europe and worked for an American company in Ireland, then visited my girlfriend in California and we ended up married. So yes, I live in California now, but: - This is not the way I thought I'd get a visa. - In the beginning we thought sometimes about moving to Europe. My work permit took very long. Months. - For the most part today you don't need VCs anymore, so you can start your company pretty much anywhere. Also, in some parts of the EU the economy is better than here. Denmark is already out of recession. Good luck.

sh1mmer 18y ago
I got relocated by an American corporate on an L1 Blanket which was relatively easy and now I'm applying for a Green Card through said corporation. That said it'll have been 3 years to be home free assuming I get my green card in the next 2 (I've been told that's likely). Being married to an American I have a get out of jail free card but I wouldn't recommend that for visa purposes only. ;)

wavesplash 18y ago

If you do make it over, here's a great resource for cheap short-term housing: http://www.airbnb.com/ http://www.airbnb.com/

geoffw8 18y ago
Corr - very good resource! Thanks!

shaunxcode 18y ago

My advice to you is to just do it. I did the same when I was 18 but in the other direction (orem, utah to manchester uk). I just went there w/o a high school diploma or college education - but with a good dose of real world experience - and kept applying for jobs until I found a place that could hook up a work permit for a skilled tech worker. I eventually got a 6 year work permit and loved every minute of it. As it was a "council job" they even payed for my OU courses! I actually had indefinite leave to remain but I lost that as I have not gone back in over 2 years (I have been back in utah almost 3 years now). Essentially - if you have confidence in yourself and your skills you WILL make it work.

revelude 18y ago

Troll! This guy stole all your little life-plan wet dreams, and spoonfed them right back to you in a Sunday morning gimmick post. Gold!

danw 18y ago

Pick up freelance clients in the UK, then work remotely in SF for 3 months on the visa waiver? (This is the gist of something I'm considering right now)

colinplamondon 18y ago

Geoff, you should really add an email address to your profile. My startup isn't bringing on new contractors right now, but when we are you're exactly the kind of person we'd be looking for. Virtually contact-information-pimp yourself out more :)

mihasya 18y ago

Why of course. You can come stay in the closet of my studio apartment. I'll feed you and clothe you until we can find just the right opportunity for your brilliant mind! I know we're supposed to be "nice," but this is absurd. Go back to school and NEVER say about yourself that you are "dashing" or "charming" - no matter how tongue-in-cheek you try to make it sound, you just come off sounding like the exact opposite. Upon reading more of your responses, I'm further convinced that you should stay where you are. Nobody cares about your fancy "cross flights." Right now is certainly not the time to abandon everything and come to California.

pg 18y ago
Please don't get personal like this. If you don't want to help the guy, just don't say anything.
geoffw8 18y ago
1. I'm not after a freebie, I clearly stated that I'm happy to pay 2. I don't need a personal job-seeker, I'm more than capable (but thanks) 3. I wasn't being tongue-in-cheek - I am, in fact, quite dashing and can be quite charming. But never make a show of it. 4. Are you speaking on behalf of the whole nation? Or just arsehole club? 5. I don't understand why you're on the offence? To be honest, I was pretty impressed with the discussion that come about from my post. Since I posted my initial question some pretty good resources have been mentioned. For instance, Berlin and their scene, then discussion around language barriers. OK, 3's a joke. But lighten up.

ksvs 18y ago

Knows of a reasonably priced room going, or has a spare room You want http://airbnb.com http://airbnb.com

brianchesky 18y ago
A number of our hosts are also involved in startups, so it may also be a great way to meet people in the bay area. http://airbnb.com/travel/san-francisco/ca http://airbnb.com/travel/san-francisco/ca

menloparkbum 18y ago

You might want to visit, the weather has been unseasonably warm. Tell immigration that you are a tourist on vacation. Don't mention working or trying to find work. There are hostels in SF where you can stay for cheap. Most are in the Tenderloin/Financial area. I've never seen the inside of those. I have actually stayed at one hostel, to check it out for a traveler friend. Element Hostel. It is in the same building as Medjool, quite possibly the stupidest nightclub in the city. It's a good hostel, though, and I think the only one located outside of downtown. http://www.yelp.com/biz/elements-hotel-san-francisco http://www.yelp.com/biz/elements-hotel-san-francisco The mission is a bit grimy but at least its where the young do their thing. Also I'd actually just do a vacation, the Bay Area is a nice vacation spot. Tons of stuff to do and see.

geoffw8 18y ago
Thanks, that place looks pretty cool. The second review down made me chuckle. Nice one, cheers.
- ktom 18y ago
  Heading to SF for a short period seems like a good idea. Since you don't seem to have a network there, it is probably a good idea to do a recon trip. This also works well with the visa situation. It is probably considerably easier to meet people willing to sponsor you if you meet them in person, so just take a "vacation" to SF and plant your seeds. This also gives you the chance to see if you really like SF, although i would be surprised if you didn't like it. Good luck!

paulgb 18y ago

I just moved to SF from Canada for 8 months. I'm also 19. The process took about two months and cost over $1,000, including health insurance but not the flight. I was lucky because I'm a Canadian citizen, I'm currently attending University (took a term off to be here), I'm returning to finish my degree at the end of it, and I had a job lined up, all of which helped to make things a lot easier. I admire your sense of adventure, and I don't want to discourage you from moving here. Just be aware that it will involve a fair bit of patience and frustration. Good luck!

cvg 18y ago

While you are looking for more permanent housing, try http://www.couchsurfing.com/ http://www.couchsurfing.com/ . People offer up spare sleeping space for free. Should let you see where in the bay area you want to stay.

pclark 18y ago

hows your ruby fu?

pclark 18y ago

can you code? what are your skills?

jMac 18y ago

All - I employed Geoff a few years ago and he is a total and uter genius. If I was hiring now, he would be first on the list. Geoff - I would look at the Central Europe options....happy to intro you to many people in startup land. Good luck buddy and I am here for ya if you need a reference.