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The answer is friction. What % of this billion of users will bother to export their chat history (which is already a lot) and import another another llm. That n

The answer is friction. What % of this billion of users will bother to export their chat history (which is already a lot) and import another another llm. That number is too small to matter.

adam_patarino 10mo ago
Since each chat is virtually independent there’s no switching cost. I’ve moved between Claude and ChatGPT with no cares. It’s not like Facebook where all my friends stay behind
- aranelsurion 10mo ago
  > Since each chat is virtually independent That hasn't been true for a while though. Open a new chat tab in ChatGPT and ask it "What do you know about me" to see it in action.
  - downsplat 10mo ago
    You can turn that off. If you're using LLMs for technical or real world questions, it's nicer for each chat to be a blank slate.
    - aranelsurion 10mo ago
      You can also use Temporary Chats for that.
swexbe 10mo ago
All chat apps look exactly the same and have exactly the same features. The friction is basically non-existent compared to email services, social media, web browsers, &c.
- ethmarks 10mo ago
  I think it matters to more than you might think. A significant portion of the non-technical ChatGPT userbase get really attached to the model flavor. The GPT-4o controversy is a good example. People got attached to 4o's emotional and enthusiastic response style. When GPT-5--which was much more terse and practical--rolled out, people got really upset because they were treating ChatGPT as a confident and friend, and were upset when it's personality changed. In my experience, Gemini and Claude are much more helpful and terse than ChatGPT with less conversational padding. I can imagine that the people who value that conversational padding would have a similar reaction to Gemini or Claude as they did to GPT-5.
- aurareturn 10mo ago
  Yet, somehow I've been paying $20/month to ChatGPT for years now and I don't use Claude or Gemini even when they're free or have slightly better models.
  - sumeno 10mo ago
    Oh well if YOU do something then that's that
    - aurareturn 10mo ago
      1 billion users and growing says there are more people like me than not.
  - raw_anon_1111 10mo ago
    Many more people see “AI overviews” everyday with Google being the default search engine on almost every mobile phone outside of China.
    - tungnt620 10mo ago
      I saw it too
  - swexbe 10mo ago
    weird flex
friendzis 10mo ago
Wrong ratio. How many of those care about their own particular history in the first place and what % of those at least actively manage it outside of standard chat interface or even hop providers? I think that % would surprise you.
chroma205 10mo ago
> The answer is friction. Yet non-technical users switched from Edge/Safari to Google Chrome.
- aurareturn 10mo ago
  Because there is no data in a browser. Even if there is, browsers made it easy to import/export bookmarks and history. You don't see Instagram willingly giving up all their data on users to Tiktok right?

The answer is friction. What % of this billion of users will bother to export their chat history (which is already a lot) and import another another llm. That number is too small to matter.

adam_patarino 10mo ago

Since each chat is virtually independent there’s no switching cost. I’ve moved between Claude and ChatGPT with no cares. It’s not like Facebook where all my friends stay behind

aranelsurion 10mo ago
> Since each chat is virtually independent That hasn't been true for a while though. Open a new chat tab in ChatGPT and ask it "What do you know about me" to see it in action.
- downsplat 10mo ago
  You can turn that off. If you're using LLMs for technical or real world questions, it's nicer for each chat to be a blank slate.
  - aranelsurion 10mo ago
    You can also use Temporary Chats for that.

swexbe 10mo ago

All chat apps look exactly the same and have exactly the same features. The friction is basically non-existent compared to email services, social media, web browsers, &c.

ethmarks 10mo ago
I think it matters to more than you might think. A significant portion of the non-technical ChatGPT userbase get really attached to the model flavor. The GPT-4o controversy is a good example. People got attached to 4o's emotional and enthusiastic response style. When GPT-5--which was much more terse and practical--rolled out, people got really upset because they were treating ChatGPT as a confident and friend, and were upset when it's personality changed. In my experience, Gemini and Claude are much more helpful and terse than ChatGPT with less conversational padding. I can imagine that the people who value that conversational padding would have a similar reaction to Gemini or Claude as they did to GPT-5.
aurareturn 10mo ago
Yet, somehow I've been paying $20/month to ChatGPT for years now and I don't use Claude or Gemini even when they're free or have slightly better models.
- sumeno 10mo ago
  Oh well if YOU do something then that's that
  - aurareturn 10mo ago
    1 billion users and growing says there are more people like me than not.
- raw_anon_1111 10mo ago
  Many more people see “AI overviews” everyday with Google being the default search engine on almost every mobile phone outside of China.
  - tungnt620 10mo ago
    I saw it too
- swexbe 10mo ago
  weird flex

friendzis 10mo ago

Wrong ratio. How many of those care about their own particular history in the first place and what % of those at least actively manage it outside of standard chat interface or even hop providers? I think that % would surprise you.

chroma205 10mo ago

> The answer is friction. Yet non-technical users switched from Edge/Safari to Google Chrome.

aurareturn 10mo ago
Because there is no data in a browser. Even if there is, browsers made it easy to import/export bookmarks and history. You don't see Instagram willingly giving up all their data on users to Tiktok right?