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>the Earth is flat and you stand at 0 N 0 E, how do you move in a straight line East of there? This is something that was more or less solved a long time ago w

>the Earth is flat and you stand at 0 N 0 E, how do you move in a straight line East of there? This is something that was more or less solved a long time ago with surveying instruments. You don't have to move in a straight line, you build triangles out of sight lines.

fluoridation 11mo ago
I can kinda see how that would work, but it presents the challenge that whatever route you plan, it cannot go over water for more than a few kilometers.
- roywiggins 11mo ago
  I don't think it would be that different than the arc measurements that were actually done, you triangulate a bunch of points to work out distances and angle sufficiently precisely: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_measurement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_measurement
  - fluoridation 11mo ago
    That doesn't help you if you're moving West to East, though. EDIT: Also, that's to measure distance, not direction.
    - roywiggins 11mo ago
      You can survey West to East just as well: https://www.noaa.gov/digital-collections/collections/4774/item?page=123 https://www.noaa.gov/digital-collections/collections/4774/it... https://amerisurv.com/2012/10/27/the-longest-line/ https://amerisurv.com/2012/10/27/the-longest-line/ And measurements of, say, very precise equilateral triangles, necessarily imply certain interior angles, which you can compare to the actual angles they make. For instance, on a flat plane, you can fit six equilateral triangles sharing one point to make a hexagon. On a sphere if you make them big enough you'll find that they don't quite fit.
      - fluoridation 11mo ago
        >https://www.noaa.gov/digital-collections/collections/4774/item?page=123 https://www.noaa.gov/digital-collections/collections/4774/it... Like I said before, you can't do that over water. It constrains the shape of the triangle you can measure.
        roywiggins 11mo ago
        I'm not sure how that matters for this purpose, they used these surveys to measure the shape of the Earth (specifically, the circumference, and later the flattening- ie, plenty precise enough to measure the curvature more or less directly). Is the idea that land is spherical while the oceans are flat? Do this survey on each continent, including Antarctica, again just constructing big triangles and measuring the deviation from flatness. Eventually your model of the flat earth looks like a bunch of pieces of an eggshell separated by flat water that just happens to assemble into an egg- or rather an ellipsoid- if rearranged, up to and including the expected flattening at the poles. With sufficient elbow grease you could extend a survey from the far north of the Americas down to the south, measuring the curvature as you went, eventually finding that you must be almost upside-down compared to where you'd started.

fluoridation 11mo ago

I can kinda see how that would work, but it presents the challenge that whatever route you plan, it cannot go over water for more than a few kilometers.

roywiggins 11mo ago
I don't think it would be that different than the arc measurements that were actually done, you triangulate a bunch of points to work out distances and angle sufficiently precisely: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_measurement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_measurement
- fluoridation 11mo ago
  That doesn't help you if you're moving West to East, though. EDIT: Also, that's to measure distance, not direction.
  - roywiggins 11mo ago
    You can survey West to East just as well: https://www.noaa.gov/digital-collections/collections/4774/item?page=123 https://www.noaa.gov/digital-collections/collections/4774/it... https://amerisurv.com/2012/10/27/the-longest-line/ https://amerisurv.com/2012/10/27/the-longest-line/ And measurements of, say, very precise equilateral triangles, necessarily imply certain interior angles, which you can compare to the actual angles they make. For instance, on a flat plane, you can fit six equilateral triangles sharing one point to make a hexagon. On a sphere if you make them big enough you'll find that they don't quite fit.
    - fluoridation 11mo ago
      >https://www.noaa.gov/digital-collections/collections/4774/item?page=123 https://www.noaa.gov/digital-collections/collections/4774/it... Like I said before, you can't do that over water. It constrains the shape of the triangle you can measure.
      - roywiggins 11mo ago
        I'm not sure how that matters for this purpose, they used these surveys to measure the shape of the Earth (specifically, the circumference, and later the flattening- ie, plenty precise enough to measure the curvature more or less directly). Is the idea that land is spherical while the oceans are flat? Do this survey on each continent, including Antarctica, again just constructing big triangles and measuring the deviation from flatness. Eventually your model of the flat earth looks like a bunch of pieces of an eggshell separated by flat water that just happens to assemble into an egg- or rather an ellipsoid- if rearranged, up to and including the expected flattening at the poles. With sufficient elbow grease you could extend a survey from the far north of the Americas down to the south, measuring the curvature as you went, eventually finding that you must be almost upside-down compared to where you'd started.