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Does it support anti-cheat programs, so WINE/LINUX users won't get banned in online games?

breve 11mo ago
If you need a kernel level anti-cheat system just to run a game, why are you wasting time and money on that game in the first place? Games are supposed to be fun. If you feel the need to compromise your system that much then it stops being fun and starts being addiction.
- SvenL 11mo ago
  Its funny how „Games are supposed to be fun“ is also the answer to why there are such sophisticated anti cheat tools needed in the first place. Cheater do lower the fun for other players of course…
  - pull_my_finger 11mo ago
    I don't think they are needed. Cheaters will always find a way to cheat, giving game developers access to low level kernel features under the guise of anti-cheat is definitely not a trade-off I'd be willing to make. If game makers can't solve a problem with mechanics or moderation, I probably would just not play the game. Most of those issues revolve around MMO things, and could be solved with private lobbies, self-hosting etc - i.e. not playing with randos on the internet.
- orionblastar 11mo ago
  It is either run the anti-cheat system or get banned from the game online. You are correct, I shouldn't run a game that requires an anti-cheat system and only run Linux Native games with Proton on Steam.
  - breve 11mo ago
    > You are correct, I shouldn't run a game that requires an anti-cheat system Yes, it's just a game. It's not important. Your life won't be made worse by not playing it.
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d3Xt3r 11mo ago
Vanilla Wine doesn't, but Proton/Proton-GE does. It supports BattlEye, EAC, VAC, and nProtect Gameguard. Maybe a few others I missed out on. But this means nothing unless game devs/studios actually enable support for it, and unfortunately some companies like Epic and Rockstar just aren't interested in Linux and they just make up blatant lies (like how Rockstar lied that BattlEye doesn't work on Linux, when Valve explicitly said it does, all they need to do is email BattlEye to enable support[1]). [1] https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/8/22737127/valve-steam-deck-battleye-anti-cheat-pubg-dayz-r6-siege https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/8/22737127/valve-steam-deck...
mindcrash 11mo ago
Can verify some/most games using Easy Anti Cheat and all games using VAC run on Linux, using Proton. But games using the likes of Vanguard (Riot), Javelin (EA) and Ricochet (Activision) which really mess around with your system on kernel level? Forget about it. And maybe, just maybe, that's even good. These things are nasty and invasive, and due to how they are designed could be even used for exploits and gain low level access to your system. Which isn't new, by the way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk...

breve 11mo ago

If you need a kernel level anti-cheat system just to run a game, why are you wasting time and money on that game in the first place? Games are supposed to be fun. If you feel the need to compromise your system that much then it stops being fun and starts being addiction.

SvenL 11mo ago
Its funny how „Games are supposed to be fun“ is also the answer to why there are such sophisticated anti cheat tools needed in the first place. Cheater do lower the fun for other players of course…
- pull_my_finger 11mo ago
  I don't think they are needed. Cheaters will always find a way to cheat, giving game developers access to low level kernel features under the guise of anti-cheat is definitely not a trade-off I'd be willing to make. If game makers can't solve a problem with mechanics or moderation, I probably would just not play the game. Most of those issues revolve around MMO things, and could be solved with private lobbies, self-hosting etc - i.e. not playing with randos on the internet.
orionblastar 11mo ago
It is either run the anti-cheat system or get banned from the game online. You are correct, I shouldn't run a game that requires an anti-cheat system and only run Linux Native games with Proton on Steam.
- breve 11mo ago
  > You are correct, I shouldn't run a game that requires an anti-cheat system Yes, it's just a game. It's not important. Your life won't be made worse by not playing it.

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d3Xt3r 11mo ago

Vanilla Wine doesn't, but Proton/Proton-GE does. It supports BattlEye, EAC, VAC, and nProtect Gameguard. Maybe a few others I missed out on. But this means nothing unless game devs/studios actually enable support for it, and unfortunately some companies like Epic and Rockstar just aren't interested in Linux and they just make up blatant lies (like how Rockstar lied that BattlEye doesn't work on Linux, when Valve explicitly said it does, all they need to do is email BattlEye to enable support[1]). [1] https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/8/22737127/valve-steam-deck-battleye-anti-cheat-pubg-dayz-r6-siege https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/8/22737127/valve-steam-deck...

mindcrash 11mo ago

Can verify some/most games using Easy Anti Cheat and all games using VAC run on Linux, using Proton. But games using the likes of Vanguard (Riot), Javelin (EA) and Ricochet (Activision) which really mess around with your system on kernel level? Forget about it. And maybe, just maybe, that's even good. These things are nasty and invasive, and due to how they are designed could be even used for exploits and gain low level access to your system. Which isn't new, by the way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk...