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As a EU citizen that moved to a different EU country: Yes please! I constantly need a VPN as some services from my old country are geo-blocked. And when I forg
by systemtest 10mo ago
As a EU citizen that moved to a different EU country: Yes please!
I constantly need a VPN as some services from my old country are geo-blocked. And when I forget to disable the VPN to my old country I can't visit certain sites from my current country. I need two phone numbers as some services require a phone number from the country they operate out of. I'm talking banking, classifieds, insurance, municipal. I can't use certain apps from my current country because I have to switch my account country but that disables apps from my old country.
And the best part, I can't vote for the national elections in my current country. Only for those in my old country. And it will be like that for the rest of my life. An example: I had to enable VPN to see the election results of my old country, the one I am eligible to vote in.
Please unify the EU so I don't have to deal with all of this.
- econ 10mo agoHaving people vote who don't live in the country has always struck me as weird. If you are some place else for say a year or even 10 years it seems a reasonable topic for debate but longer?? Never pay taxes either???
- machomaster 10mo agoOften the rule is that one gets the vote in local elections after living for some time, but only citizens can vote in national elections (Parlament, President). This makes sense. If you want to fully participate in a society, you should integrate and become a citizen.
- systemtest 10mo agoI personally believe that voting should be based on residency, not citizenship. If you live in the country you can vote. If you don’t live in the country you can’t vote. Simple. No taxation without representation.
- gverrilla 10mo agoVulnerable.
- econ 10mo agoRepresentation without taxation seems even more offensive. But the real joke has to be to vote for laws for others (not you) to be subjected to.
- machomaster 10mo agoEven the USA has no problem taxing without representation. Representation without obligation (e.g. to be drafted) is even wilder.
- systemtest 10mo agoThird generation Turkish immigrants vote for the Turkish elections despite never having set foot in Turkey because of the military draft. Goes to show that voting based on a passport is silly.
- econ 10mo agoPortugal has nearly 9.5% that seems enough for a dedicated party.
- machomaster 10mo agoWhy should countries allow foreign influence - the voting in the most important elections in the country, by foreign citizens who didn't integrate enough to even get their citizenship? Participating in local elections is often allowed.
- systemtest 10mo agoIn the case of these two countries dual citizenship is not allowed. So for the rest of my life I will not be able to vote here. This isn’t about “not integrating enough”. If someone has been living and working in a country for a long time that should be enough to let them vote in national elections, regardless of what citizenship they have.
- bandofthehawk 10mo agoCan you give up citizenship of the old country? Not being willing to give up your old citizenship could be one example of "not integrating enough".
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- machomaster 10mo agoPersonally I don't think Not willing to change your citizenship is a sign of not integrating fully, in not being completely loyal to the country and to its citizens. Imagine that both countries start a war between each other - who are you going to support? Whoever you choose does not matter, the fact remains that you would have to choose, legally speaking. Why should your current living country give the strongest possible leverage to an untegrated potential agent/supporter of the foreign country? Highest privileges should be given to people who decided to be fully in, in both good and bad. You can't be allowed to only cherrypick the good stuff: "I want to vote, but I don't want to be drafted to be killed in a war".
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