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what do you mean, a slow bureaucracy is a democratic bureaucracy. the last thing you want is a highly efficient bureaucracy enacting change quickly. This messa

what do you mean, a slow bureaucracy is a democratic bureaucracy. the last thing you want is a highly efficient bureaucracy enacting change quickly. This message brought to you by the Bureau of Sabotage

ekianjo 11mo ago
There is nothing democratic about the process. It's all unelected politicians ruling for you
- GeoAtreides 11mo ago
  I was making a joke (and referencing a book); that being said, you're wrong, no unelected politicians are ruling for me or any other european citizen.
  - Am4TIfIsER0ppos 11mo ago
    Which politicians ran on a platform of "we are going to spy on you"? I guess all of them do.
    - wongarsu 11mo ago
      "unelected politicians" and "politicians that do things outside their campaign promises" are very different claims
- iso1631 11mo ago
  Which ones are unelected - the democratically elected heads of the member state governments? Or the democratically elected members of the EU parliament? Or the commissioners that are appointed by the democratically elected heads of the member state governments?
  - surgical_fire 11mo ago
    I tried the same questions on multiple different threads, to multiple different imbeciles posting the same bullshit. You will never get an answer from them. But we should keep asking it anyway. I always wondered if they live on the EU and are genuinely too stupid to understand how the bloc their country joined works or, most likely, live outside of it and the idea of the EU as a political entity offends their sensibilities or heighten their anxiety.
  - wnoise 11mo ago
    The commissioners?
    - iso1631 11mo ago
      Take Magnus Brunner, responsible for Internal Affairs and Migration. The Austrian Government, headed by Karl Nehammer at the time I believe, provided him. The head of the EU, who was nominated by the Austrian Government (and the other 26 governments) and elected by the MEPs in parliament (who were directly elected) decided on his portfolio. Compare this to the US system, where the head of the US executive is elected by electors who themselves are directly elected. That head then appoints whoever they want. If you were to make the US reflect the EU, you would have 1) Senate nominates the president (one vote per state) 2) Congress votes for the president 3) Senate provides the people to be secretaries 4) President selects from that list and chooses which person gets head of State, head of Treasury, etc This would give more power to the states and less to the federal level, which itself is something many in the US want. Doesn't make it undemocratic.
  - ekianjo 11mo ago
    > are appointed by the democratically elected heads Appointed, so, not elected. Thanks for answering.
    - iso1631 11mo ago
      Same way as the executive in the westminster system is appointed.

ekianjo 11mo ago

There is nothing democratic about the process. It's all unelected politicians ruling for you

GeoAtreides 11mo ago
I was making a joke (and referencing a book); that being said, you're wrong, no unelected politicians are ruling for me or any other european citizen.
- Am4TIfIsER0ppos 11mo ago
  Which politicians ran on a platform of "we are going to spy on you"? I guess all of them do.
  - wongarsu 11mo ago
    "unelected politicians" and "politicians that do things outside their campaign promises" are very different claims
iso1631 11mo ago
Which ones are unelected - the democratically elected heads of the member state governments? Or the democratically elected members of the EU parliament? Or the commissioners that are appointed by the democratically elected heads of the member state governments?
- surgical_fire 11mo ago
  I tried the same questions on multiple different threads, to multiple different imbeciles posting the same bullshit. You will never get an answer from them. But we should keep asking it anyway. I always wondered if they live on the EU and are genuinely too stupid to understand how the bloc their country joined works or, most likely, live outside of it and the idea of the EU as a political entity offends their sensibilities or heighten their anxiety.
- wnoise 11mo ago
  The commissioners?
  - iso1631 11mo ago
    Take Magnus Brunner, responsible for Internal Affairs and Migration. The Austrian Government, headed by Karl Nehammer at the time I believe, provided him. The head of the EU, who was nominated by the Austrian Government (and the other 26 governments) and elected by the MEPs in parliament (who were directly elected) decided on his portfolio. Compare this to the US system, where the head of the US executive is elected by electors who themselves are directly elected. That head then appoints whoever they want. If you were to make the US reflect the EU, you would have 1) Senate nominates the president (one vote per state) 2) Congress votes for the president 3) Senate provides the people to be secretaries 4) President selects from that list and chooses which person gets head of State, head of Treasury, etc This would give more power to the states and less to the federal level, which itself is something many in the US want. Doesn't make it undemocratic.
- ekianjo 11mo ago
  > are appointed by the democratically elected heads Appointed, so, not elected. Thanks for answering.
  - iso1631 11mo ago
    Same way as the executive in the westminster system is appointed.