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But are they really the ones in control? It's not the tech titans, it's Capitalism itself building the war chest to ensure it's embodiment and transfer into it

But are they really the ones in control? It's not the tech titans, it's Capitalism itself building the war chest to ensure it's embodiment and transfer into its next host - machines. We are just it's temporary vehicles. > “This is because what appears to humanity as the history of capitalism is an invasion from the future by an artificial intelligent space that must assemble itself entirely from its enemy's resources.”

faidit 11mo ago
Yes, these decisions are being made by flesh-and-blood humans at the top of a social pyramid. Nick Land's deranged (and often racist) word-salad sci-fi fantasies tend to obfuscate that. If robots turn on their creators and wipe out humanity then whatever remains wouldn't be a class society or a market economy of humans any more, hence no longer the social system known as capitalism by any common definition.
- dist-epoch 11mo ago
  If there is more than one AI remaining, they will have some sort of an economy between them.
  - faidit 11mo ago
    I mean, that could be drone swarms blasting each other to bits for control of what remains of the earth's charred surface though. That wouldn't be capitalism any more than dinosaurs eating each other. I don't see post-human AI selling goods to consumers and prices being set through competition.
jrflowers 11mo ago
>We are just it's temporary vehicles. > “This is because what appears to humanity as the history of capitalism is an invasion from the future by an artificial intelligent space that must assemble itself entirely from its enemy's resources.” I see your “roko’s basilisk is real” and counter with “slenderman locked it in the backrooms and it got sucked up by goatse” in this creepypasta-is-real conversation
- Cthulhu_ 11mo ago
  I for one welcome our new AI overlords. (disclaimer: I don't actually, I'm just memeing. I don't think we'll get AI overlords unless someone actively puts AI in charge and in control of both people (= people following directions from AI, which already happens, e.g. ChatGPT making suggestions), military hardware, and the entire chain of command in between.)
  - jrflowers 11mo ago
    Literally no one on earth is trying to make an AI overlord that’s an AI. There’s like a handful of dudes that think that if they can shove their stupid AI into enough shit then they can call themselves AI overlords.

faidit 11mo ago

Yes, these decisions are being made by flesh-and-blood humans at the top of a social pyramid. Nick Land's deranged (and often racist) word-salad sci-fi fantasies tend to obfuscate that. If robots turn on their creators and wipe out humanity then whatever remains wouldn't be a class society or a market economy of humans any more, hence no longer the social system known as capitalism by any common definition.

dist-epoch 11mo ago
If there is more than one AI remaining, they will have some sort of an economy between them.
- faidit 11mo ago
  I mean, that could be drone swarms blasting each other to bits for control of what remains of the earth's charred surface though. That wouldn't be capitalism any more than dinosaurs eating each other. I don't see post-human AI selling goods to consumers and prices being set through competition.

jrflowers 11mo ago

>We are just it's temporary vehicles. > “This is because what appears to humanity as the history of capitalism is an invasion from the future by an artificial intelligent space that must assemble itself entirely from its enemy's resources.” I see your “roko’s basilisk is real” and counter with “slenderman locked it in the backrooms and it got sucked up by goatse” in this creepypasta-is-real conversation

Cthulhu_ 11mo ago
I for one welcome our new AI overlords. (disclaimer: I don't actually, I'm just memeing. I don't think we'll get AI overlords unless someone actively puts AI in charge and in control of both people (= people following directions from AI, which already happens, e.g. ChatGPT making suggestions), military hardware, and the entire chain of command in between.)
- jrflowers 11mo ago
  Literally no one on earth is trying to make an AI overlord that’s an AI. There’s like a handful of dudes that think that if they can shove their stupid AI into enough shit then they can call themselves AI overlords.