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Fortunately it's not true. GrapheneOS seem https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/1993061892324311480#m https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/1993061892324311480

by yorwba 11mo ago

Fortunately it's not true. GrapheneOS seem https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/1993061892324311480#m https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/1993061892324311480#m to be reacting to news coverage https://archive.ph/UrlvK https://archive.ph/UrlvK saying that although legitimate uses exist, if GrapheneOS have connections to a criminal organization and refuse to cooperate with law enforcement, they could be prosecuted nonetheless: « il existe pour une certaine partie des utilisateurs une réelle légitimité dans la volonté de protéger ses échanges. L’approche est donc différente. Mais ça ne nous empêchera pas de poursuivre les éditeurs, si des liens sont découverts avec une organisation criminelle et qu’ils ne coopèrent pas avec la justice. » Charitably, GrapheneOS are not in fact a front for organized crime, but merely paranoid, assuming that the news coverage is laying the groundwork for prosecution on trumped-up charges. Notably, there doesn't appear to have been direct communication from law enforcement yet.

jack_tripper 11mo ago
>Charitably, GrapheneOS are not in fact a front for organized crime, but merely paranoid The difference between someone being paranoid and someone being right, is time.
- soufron 11mo ago
  If that paranoia is related to their participation in organized crime... well, governments should be the least of their problems in a few years.
GuB-42 11mo ago
Isn't it the same for every country? Of course if your organization have connections to a criminal organization, you are going to be in trouble. Same thing for refusing to cooperate with law enforcement, this is not some abstract thing, it is about following the law, for example relating to evidence tampering or search warrants. I don't think France is anything special in that regard.
627467 11mo ago
Paranoid? Telegram CEO was arrested and held for days, his movements out of France restricted for months. And he is a connected billionaire, not an open source developer. Open source developers have been given jail sentences in the last months. If you're a broke open source developer - even if you believe under the law you're not doing anything wrong - would you want to be exposed to law enforcement harassment (lawfare) for no reason? Also: chat control.

by yorwba 11mo ago

jack_tripper 11mo ago

>Charitably, GrapheneOS are not in fact a front for organized crime, but merely paranoid The difference between someone being paranoid and someone being right, is time.

soufron 11mo ago
If that paranoia is related to their participation in organized crime... well, governments should be the least of their problems in a few years.

GuB-42 11mo ago

Isn't it the same for every country? Of course if your organization have connections to a criminal organization, you are going to be in trouble. Same thing for refusing to cooperate with law enforcement, this is not some abstract thing, it is about following the law, for example relating to evidence tampering or search warrants. I don't think France is anything special in that regard.

627467 11mo ago

Paranoid? Telegram CEO was arrested and held for days, his movements out of France restricted for months. And he is a connected billionaire, not an open source developer. Open source developers have been given jail sentences in the last months. If you're a broke open source developer - even if you believe under the law you're not doing anything wrong - would you want to be exposed to law enforcement harassment (lawfare) for no reason? Also: chat control.