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why usually many people trying to defend Russian Government on hacker news? I'm I missing something?

u_sama 10mo ago
Idk, they are sadly using the same tools Western democracies have been using recently. One cannot throw a stone from a crystal palace.
draw_down 10mo ago
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estimator7292 10mo ago
Russian propaganda is a shockingly large and pervasive component of essentially all online Western media. Also just generally Americans voted for a Russian sympathiser to install a fascist government so... yeah I'm not surprised in the least
- philipallstar 10mo ago
  Bit weird he's even applying secondary sanctions to Russian oil so India and China stop buying it, then.
  - LunaSea 10mo ago
    He also copy / pasted Russia's "peace plan" proposition.
- jasonvorhe 10mo ago
  And anti-Russian propaganda isn't? We're in the middle of an information war.
baiac 10mo ago
I have read all comments (there are not that many as of now) and I have not seen a single one defending the Russian government. There are many comments comparing this censorship to the censorship that other countries are famous for having applied for a long time, and therefore it seems to me that those comments are decrying all kinds of censorship. This is only an issue for those who think censorship is good when it is applied to things they don’t like.
- u_sama 10mo ago
  I think he is mentioning my comment and another one mainly, I personally decry all kinds of censorship, not only the Russian one. Its just one just cannot be taken seriously when defending "hate speech laws" is ok when they protect things I agree with (lgbt rights), but then decry the same thing done with things I dont agree with (lgbt rghts). The main counterargument is the kind of claiming hate speech defend "human rights" as some kind of universal moral good and "protecting vulnerable groups" but these laws dont seem to do any of those, they cynically cloak themselve in such purposes but eventually are used for nefarious purposes and to increase state overreach (see the infamous PATRIOT act).
coffinbirth 10mo ago
What would the U.S. do if China builds military infrastructure in Canada (in cooperation with Canada), so that China could destroy major cities and U.S. military infrastructure within seconds? The U.S. would argue that this constitutes an existential threat to the homeland security of the United States. This is a valid argument, but why does this not apply equally to Russia? Isn't it an existential threat to Russia if NATO builds military infrastructure in Ukraine or Georgia? Yes, Russia communicated this clearly since at least 2008 at the Munich Security Conference. The West/NATO didn't listen and here we are...
- walletdrainer 10mo ago
  Except for the fact that none of the above was actually happening in Ukraine. Can you even name the specific military infrastructure in Ukraine you are talking about?
- deleted 10mo ago
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- leoh 10mo ago
  Russia has tried to do that many times over the years..
- onedognight 10mo ago
  Remember when Russia agreed[0] to defend Ukraine if they gave up their nuclear weapons? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum
jasonvorhe 10mo ago
Can you quote some of those alleged comments defending the Russian state?

u_sama 10mo ago

Idk, they are sadly using the same tools Western democracies have been using recently. One cannot throw a stone from a crystal palace.

draw_down 10mo ago

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estimator7292 10mo ago

Russian propaganda is a shockingly large and pervasive component of essentially all online Western media. Also just generally Americans voted for a Russian sympathiser to install a fascist government so... yeah I'm not surprised in the least

philipallstar 10mo ago
Bit weird he's even applying secondary sanctions to Russian oil so India and China stop buying it, then.
- LunaSea 10mo ago
  He also copy / pasted Russia's "peace plan" proposition.
jasonvorhe 10mo ago
And anti-Russian propaganda isn't? We're in the middle of an information war.

baiac 10mo ago

I have read all comments (there are not that many as of now) and I have not seen a single one defending the Russian government. There are many comments comparing this censorship to the censorship that other countries are famous for having applied for a long time, and therefore it seems to me that those comments are decrying all kinds of censorship. This is only an issue for those who think censorship is good when it is applied to things they don’t like.

u_sama 10mo ago
I think he is mentioning my comment and another one mainly, I personally decry all kinds of censorship, not only the Russian one. Its just one just cannot be taken seriously when defending "hate speech laws" is ok when they protect things I agree with (lgbt rights), but then decry the same thing done with things I dont agree with (lgbt rghts). The main counterargument is the kind of claiming hate speech defend "human rights" as some kind of universal moral good and "protecting vulnerable groups" but these laws dont seem to do any of those, they cynically cloak themselve in such purposes but eventually are used for nefarious purposes and to increase state overreach (see the infamous PATRIOT act).

coffinbirth 10mo ago

What would the U.S. do if China builds military infrastructure in Canada (in cooperation with Canada), so that China could destroy major cities and U.S. military infrastructure within seconds? The U.S. would argue that this constitutes an existential threat to the homeland security of the United States. This is a valid argument, but why does this not apply equally to Russia? Isn't it an existential threat to Russia if NATO builds military infrastructure in Ukraine or Georgia? Yes, Russia communicated this clearly since at least 2008 at the Munich Security Conference. The West/NATO didn't listen and here we are...

walletdrainer 10mo ago
Except for the fact that none of the above was actually happening in Ukraine. Can you even name the specific military infrastructure in Ukraine you are talking about?
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leoh 10mo ago
Russia has tried to do that many times over the years..
onedognight 10mo ago
Remember when Russia agreed[0] to defend Ukraine if they gave up their nuclear weapons? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

jasonvorhe 10mo ago

Can you quote some of those alleged comments defending the Russian state?