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I hate when people hijack progressive language - like in your case the language of accessibility - for cheap marketing and hype. Writing is one of the most acc
by LaGrange 11mo ago
I hate when people hijack progressive language - like in your case the language of accessibility - for cheap marketing and hype.
Writing is one of the most accessible forms of expression. We were living in a world where even publishing was as easy as imaginable - sure, not actually selling/profiting, but here’s a secret, even most bestselling authors have either at least one other job, or intense support from their close social circle.
What you do to write good is you start by writing bad. And you do it for ages. LLMs not only don’t help here, they ruin it. And they don’t help people write because they’re still not writing. It just derails people who might, otherwise, maybe start actually writing.
Framing your expensive toy that ruins everything as an accessibility device is absurd.
- the_snooze 11mo agoIt basically boils down to "I want the external validation of being seen as a good writer, without any of the internal growth and struggle needed to get there."
- LaGrange 11mo agoI mean, kinda, but also: not only are someone’s meandering ramblings a part of a process that leads to less meandering ramblings, they’re also infinitely more interesting than LLM slop.
- BoredomIsFun 11mo ago> "struggle needed to get there." "Struggle" argument is from gatekeepers and for masochists. Thank you very much.
- ashton314 11mo agoLife is pain! Anyone who says otherwise is selling something. —The Dread Pirate Roberts Everyone who’s produced something good, beautiful, or valuable has had to struggle. That’s just the way work works.
- BoredomIsFun 11mo ago> The Dread Pirate Roberts Okay, who is the next one to cite? Marquis de Carabas? > Everyone who’s produced something good, beautiful, or valuable has had to struggle. That’s just the way work works. It is simply not true.
- cinntaile 11mo agoIt's probably true that it reduces the barrier to entry, you don't refute that point in your post. You just call it cheap marketing and hype.
- SoftTalker 11mo agoBarriers to entry can be a good thing. It’s a filter for low effort content.
- LaGrange 11mo agoIt doesn’t. You’re not entering anything with an LLM.
- cinntaile 11mo agoOf course you are. As the original poster mentioned, it allows lousy writers to get their ideas out in the world. Shitty writing is much more likely to be ignored than LLM writing.
- CityOfThrowaway 11mo agoI'm anon, but also the farthest thing from a progressive, so I find this post amusing. I don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying but I also have a different frame. Even if we take your claim that LLMs don't make people better writers as true (which I think there's plenty to argue with), that's not the point at all. What I'm saying is people are communicating better. For most ideas, writing is just a transport vessel for ideas. And people now have tools to communicate better than they would have been. Most people aren't trying to become good writers. That's true before, and true now. On the other hand, this argument probably isn't worth having. If your frame is that LLMs are expensive toys that ruin everything -- well, that's quite an aggressive posture to start with and is both unlikely to bear a useful conversation or a particularly delightful future for you.
- LaGrange 11mo ago> I'm anon, but also the farthest thing from a progressive, so I find this post amusing. Oh I know. I called it hijacking because the result is as progressive as a national socialist is a socialist. > What I'm saying is people are communicating better. Actually they’re no longer communicating at all.
- encyclopedism 11mo ago> What I'm saying is people are communicating better. For most ideas, writing is just a transport vessel for ideas. And people now have tools to communicate better than they would have been. You would have to define 'better'.