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By that logic, humans would also be prevented from “training” on (i.e. learning from) such code. Hard to see how this could be a valid license.
by munchler 11mo ago
By that logic, humans would also be prevented from “training” on (i.e. learning from) such code. Hard to see how this could be a valid license.
- psychoslave 11mo agoIsn’t it the very reason why we need cleanroom software engineering: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleanroom_software_engineering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleanroom_software_engineering
- mr_toad 11mo agoIf a human reads code, and then reproduces said code, that can be a copyright violation. But you can read the code, learn from it, and produce something totally different. The middle ground, where you read code, and produce something similar is a grey area.
- codedokode 11mo agoBad analogy, probably made up by capitalists to confuse people. ML models cannot and do not learn. "learning" is a name of a process, when model developer downloads pirated material and processes it with an algorithm (computes parameters from it). Also, humans do not need to read million of pirated books to learn to talk. And a human artist doesn't need to steal million pictures to learn to draw.
- 1gn15 11mo ago> And a human artist doesn't need to steal million pictures to learn to draw. They... do? Not just pictures, but also real life data, which is a lot more data than an average modern ML system has. An average artist has probably seen- stolen millions of pictures from their social media feeds over their lifetime. Also, claiming to be anti-capitalist while defending one of the most offensive types of private property there is. The whole point of anti-capitalism is being anti private property. And copyright is private property because it gives you power over others. You must be against copyright and be against the concept of "stealing pictures" if you are to be an anti-capitalist.
- codedokode 11mo agoFor property to give you power, you need to concentrate lot of it, or own something expensive or exclusive. That's what capitalists do: a capitalist owns an expensive lathe, and you don't so you have no choice but to work for the capitalist on capitalist's terms (you can replace lathe with GPU farm for more modern analogy). Owning a song, a book or a picture doesn't give you much power by itself.
- bluefirebrand 11mo agoThere is absolutely no reason that LLMs (or Corporations) should have the same rights as humans