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I didn't see any vilification of women. Women value sharing and emotional vulnerability. It's how they bond with other women, who make up the bulk of their frie

I didn't see any vilification of women. Women value sharing and emotional vulnerability. It's how they bond with other women, who make up the bulk of their friends. Men's experiences with other men, the bulk of their friends, often make them wary of being emotionally vulnerable. Hence, naturally, a disconnect when a man and a woman are establishing a relationship.

zozbot234 1y ago
Women value sharing and emotional vulnerability, but typically not from the males in their lives. There is a significant disconnect between average women and genuine male emotions, and males are expected to show emotional resilience and self-control first and foremost precisely to bridge that gap and then allow the 'sharing' to occur unimpeded, though still in a somewhat controlled way.
- amanaplanacanal 1y ago
  It's possible you are hanging around with the wrong women.
- watwut 1y ago
  Are men expected to do so? Male anger is more tolerated then female anger. Also, if you look at men who are popular or get far, they are super emotional - Trump, Musk, Tate heck even Vance and Hengensberg. Emotions driven males are cultural and political leaders literally now.
  - triceratops 1y ago
    > Male anger is more tolerated then female anger That's only one emotion. What about all the rest?
    - watwut 11mo ago
      In the context of "males are expected to show emotional resilience and self-control first" this is absolutely the primary thing that matters.
      - lazide 11mo ago
        Only if not directed where society wants. Fighting a war? Absolutely. Defending your family? Absolutely. Getting in an argument with your spouse? Not at all.
  - bdangubic 1y ago
    this is the general insanity of today’s world, today’s leaders would be laughed at as weakest of the weak in vast majority of human history, just absolute weakest men imaginable are “leaders” now…
    - lazide 1y ago
      There is a saying in wealth management - ‘the first generation builds it, the second generation preserves it, the third generation smokes it’. It’s hard to not see that playing out in a large sense society wise right now, if we assume the first generation was the post WW2 folks, and the wealth was the post-WW2 economic benefits from the US not being bombed into the Stone Age like most of the rest of the world - and if anything, being the only major economy still standing. Where exactly you draw the lines generationally is of course up for debate. But we’re starting to have to relearn a lot of hard lessons now that the post WW2 (and depression) generations understood as basic table stakes. And it’s not because people today are ‘weaker’ per-se. Rather, they’ve lived a (relatively) comfortable life. That generally leads to not having to learn the hard lessons (or being so miserable) that they do the hard things required to build that society. And there is no free lunch. And it was never ideal, then, or now, and will never be ideal in the future either. But it can be better if we put in the work and take the risk.
  - nephihaha 11mo ago
    Anger like any other emotion has its place. But it is better to channel it into something productive. Trump and Musk are men who were born into wealth, and were boosted by mass media for decades, so I don't think they really count. Musk's main tactic has been to take credit for others' R&D.
watwut 1y ago
OP blamed women for supposedly complaining that men dont open up. Men simultaneously have natural friendships with other men, but it is women fault men do not open up. Por op, women are at wrong when they want men to talk (which is outrageous ask), but also cause of men not talking. Which includes men not talking to other men, which is also fault of women.
- lazide 1y ago
  Never did I say such a thing at all.
- triceratops 1y ago
  > OP blamed women for supposedly complaining that men dont open up Correct. And often accurate. > it is women fault men do not open up I don't think OP said that. > Por op, women are at wrong when they want men to talk Nor that. > Which includes men not talking to other men, which is also fault of women Nor that.

zozbot234 1y ago

Women value sharing and emotional vulnerability, but typically not from the males in their lives. There is a significant disconnect between average women and genuine male emotions, and males are expected to show emotional resilience and self-control first and foremost precisely to bridge that gap and then allow the 'sharing' to occur unimpeded, though still in a somewhat controlled way.

amanaplanacanal 1y ago
It's possible you are hanging around with the wrong women.
watwut 1y ago
Are men expected to do so? Male anger is more tolerated then female anger. Also, if you look at men who are popular or get far, they are super emotional - Trump, Musk, Tate heck even Vance and Hengensberg. Emotions driven males are cultural and political leaders literally now.
- triceratops 1y ago
  > Male anger is more tolerated then female anger That's only one emotion. What about all the rest?
  - watwut 11mo ago
    In the context of "males are expected to show emotional resilience and self-control first" this is absolutely the primary thing that matters.
    - lazide 11mo ago
      Only if not directed where society wants. Fighting a war? Absolutely. Defending your family? Absolutely. Getting in an argument with your spouse? Not at all.
- bdangubic 1y ago
  this is the general insanity of today’s world, today’s leaders would be laughed at as weakest of the weak in vast majority of human history, just absolute weakest men imaginable are “leaders” now…
  - lazide 1y ago
    There is a saying in wealth management - ‘the first generation builds it, the second generation preserves it, the third generation smokes it’. It’s hard to not see that playing out in a large sense society wise right now, if we assume the first generation was the post WW2 folks, and the wealth was the post-WW2 economic benefits from the US not being bombed into the Stone Age like most of the rest of the world - and if anything, being the only major economy still standing. Where exactly you draw the lines generationally is of course up for debate. But we’re starting to have to relearn a lot of hard lessons now that the post WW2 (and depression) generations understood as basic table stakes. And it’s not because people today are ‘weaker’ per-se. Rather, they’ve lived a (relatively) comfortable life. That generally leads to not having to learn the hard lessons (or being so miserable) that they do the hard things required to build that society. And there is no free lunch. And it was never ideal, then, or now, and will never be ideal in the future either. But it can be better if we put in the work and take the risk.
- nephihaha 11mo ago
  Anger like any other emotion has its place. But it is better to channel it into something productive. Trump and Musk are men who were born into wealth, and were boosted by mass media for decades, so I don't think they really count. Musk's main tactic has been to take credit for others' R&D.

watwut 1y ago

OP blamed women for supposedly complaining that men dont open up. Men simultaneously have natural friendships with other men, but it is women fault men do not open up. Por op, women are at wrong when they want men to talk (which is outrageous ask), but also cause of men not talking. Which includes men not talking to other men, which is also fault of women.

lazide 1y ago
Never did I say such a thing at all.
triceratops 1y ago
> OP blamed women for supposedly complaining that men dont open up Correct. And often accurate. > it is women fault men do not open up I don't think OP said that. > Por op, women are at wrong when they want men to talk Nor that. > Which includes men not talking to other men, which is also fault of women Nor that.