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To my understanding, if the material is publicly available or obtained legally (i.e., not pirated), then training a model with it falls under fair use. Once tr
by maxloh 11mo ago
To my understanding, if the material is publicly available or obtained legally (i.e., not pirated), then training a model with it falls under fair use.
Once training is established as fair use, it doesn't really matter if the license is MIT, GPL, or a proprietary one.
- blibble 11mo agofair use only applies in the united states (and Poland, and a very limited set of others) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#/media/File:Fair_use_laws.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#/media/File:Fair_use_... and it is certainly not part of the Berne Convention in almost every country in the world even timeshifting using your VCR and ripping your own CDs is copyright infringement
- jcelerier 11mo agoFrance and most of europe has fair use (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copie_priv%C3%A9e https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copie_priv%C3%A9e) but also has a mandatory tax on every sold medium that can do storage to recover the "lost fees" due to fair use
- graemep 11mo agoIs that not just an exemption for copying for private use? My french is not up to much but this: > L'exception de copie privée autorise une personne à reproduire une œuvre de l'esprit pour son usage privé, ce qui implique l'utilisation personnelle, mais également dans le cercle privé incluant le cadre familial. seems to be only for personal use? Fair dealing in the UK and other countries is broader, and US fair use broader still.
- RobotToaster 11mo agoMost commonwealth countries have fair dealing, which is similar although slightly different https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_dealing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_dealing
- blibble 11mo agoimportantly "fair dealing" has no concept of "transformation" (which is the linch-pin of the sloppers)
- gruez 11mo agoGreat, so the US and China can duke it out trying to create AGI or whatever, whereas most other countries are stuck in the past because of their copyright laws?
- mongol 11mo ago> To my understanding, if the material is publicly available or obtained legally (i.e., not pirated), then training a model with it falls under fair use. Is this legally settled?
- 1gn15 11mo agoYes. There have been multiple court cases affirming fair use.
- graemep 11mo agoThat is just the sort of point I am trying to make. That is a copyright law issue, not a contractual one. If the GPL is a contract then you are in breach of contract regardless of fair use or equivalents.