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You don't understand much if you think that to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women. It's completely orthogonal. People in power want

by oulipo2 11mo ago

You don't understand much if you think that to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women. It's completely orthogonal. People in power want you to have this "I don't have what I want because this other minority takes it from me", but it's simply wrong, even though this argument seems to capture the mind of simple-minded people. We don't have what we want because we're in a ruthless capitalist society, directed by stupidoes like Trump and Musk

lelanthran 11mo ago
> You don't understand much if you think that to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women. It's completely orthogonal. Knee-jerk much? How on earth did you get "put down women" from what I wrote? > People in power want you to have this "I don't have what I want because this other minority takes it from me", but it's simply wrong, even though this argument seems to capture the mind of simple-minded people. Where did you read that in the tiny little snippet I wrote? Let me be clear, so that there is no misunderstanding - 1. Men dominate the bottom of almost every ranking. This is just another ranking. Maybe before we try to fix this specific ranking, we should be asking ourselves why men are at the bottom in every ranking.
close04 11mo ago
> to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women For sure you don't have to put women as a whole down. But society and media these days are generally dominated by the most toxic voices. Toxic feminism is a big issue, that's what we have to put down for this particular purpose.
philipallstar 11mo ago
> You don't understand much if you think that to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women The reverse of this has been what's been dominating for a decade. Anything pro-men (or even just neutral) can be accused of being anti-woman, which creates a chilling effect as female-dominated HR departments can make life very difficult for men looking to provide for their families.
- ml-anon 11mo ago
  Discrimination along protected attributes such as gender would be highly illegal though, so no doubt you’d have tons of evidence to present beyond “gossipy HR ladies”.
  - philipallstar 11mo ago
    I didn't mention gossip at all. Are you pretending to quote something I never said, to just perfectly illustrate the bad faith nonsense that is ever-injected into even simple conversations about this topic? It might be worth Googling James Damore as an early example of this chilling effect.
    - ml-anon 11mo ago
      ok so no evidence of highly illegal mass gender based discrimination.
      - lelanthran 11mo ago
        > ok so no evidence of highly illegal mass gender based discrimination. This seems like a very roundabout way of saying there was no evidence of discrimination against women :-/ Where are you going with this? Because if "no evidence == did not happen", then that's true for the decades prior to the 90s, right?
- oulipo2 11mo ago
  Absolutely untrue. Feminism has NEVER been against men. Only people who half-ass reading about feminism, and rely too much on stupid far-right videos on TikTok believe that
  - CalRobert 11mo ago
    Ummm… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto seems pretty overtly against men. (It’s literally the society for cutting up men)

by oulipo2 11mo ago

lelanthran 11mo ago

> You don't understand much if you think that to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women. It's completely orthogonal. Knee-jerk much? How on earth did you get "put down women" from what I wrote? > People in power want you to have this "I don't have what I want because this other minority takes it from me", but it's simply wrong, even though this argument seems to capture the mind of simple-minded people. Where did you read that in the tiny little snippet I wrote? Let me be clear, so that there is no misunderstanding - 1. Men dominate the bottom of almost every ranking. This is just another ranking. Maybe before we try to fix this specific ranking, we should be asking ourselves why men are at the bottom in every ranking.

close04 11mo ago

> to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women For sure you don't have to put women as a whole down. But society and media these days are generally dominated by the most toxic voices. Toxic feminism is a big issue, that's what we have to put down for this particular purpose.

philipallstar 11mo ago

> You don't understand much if you think that to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women The reverse of this has been what's been dominating for a decade. Anything pro-men (or even just neutral) can be accused of being anti-woman, which creates a chilling effect as female-dominated HR departments can make life very difficult for men looking to provide for their families.

ml-anon 11mo ago
Discrimination along protected attributes such as gender would be highly illegal though, so no doubt you’d have tons of evidence to present beyond “gossipy HR ladies”.
- philipallstar 11mo ago
  I didn't mention gossip at all. Are you pretending to quote something I never said, to just perfectly illustrate the bad faith nonsense that is ever-injected into even simple conversations about this topic? It might be worth Googling James Damore as an early example of this chilling effect.
  - ml-anon 11mo ago
    ok so no evidence of highly illegal mass gender based discrimination.
    - lelanthran 11mo ago
      > ok so no evidence of highly illegal mass gender based discrimination. This seems like a very roundabout way of saying there was no evidence of discrimination against women :-/ Where are you going with this? Because if "no evidence == did not happen", then that's true for the decades prior to the 90s, right?
oulipo2 11mo ago
Absolutely untrue. Feminism has NEVER been against men. Only people who half-ass reading about feminism, and rely too much on stupid far-right videos on TikTok believe that
- CalRobert 11mo ago
  Ummm… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto seems pretty overtly against men. (It’s literally the society for cutting up men)