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Very neat. It reminds me a bit of how pages in the Talmud are laid out. From a gentile perspective, it was very interesting to me to see how hundreds (thousands

Very neat. It reminds me a bit of how pages in the Talmud are laid out. From a gentile perspective, it was very interesting to me to see how hundreds (thousands?) of years of commentary are contained within the same page. https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1acgks3/a_layout_of_a_page_in_the_talmud_why_jews_insist/ https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1acgks3/... https://triberuth.wordpress.com/2016/09/23/my-talmud-layout-notes/ https://triberuth.wordpress.com/2016/09/23/my-talmud-layout-... Code isn't linear the same way, and pages don't make as much sense, but that idea of layers of commentary rings out in this Linux Kernel Explorer as well. I very much like the notes on the side!

guy4261 11mo ago
Talmud - the original hypertext (tm) (*maybe, not 100% sure)
- ofrzeta 11mo ago
  see also Pi, the movie, although it's more about numbers and the Kabbalah :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_(film)
  - ezrabrand 11mo ago
    Long-time HN lurker here! Was excited to see this discussion around my major interests of Talmud, Kabbalah, and tech. There are a lot of misconceptions and mystique surrounding the Talmud. I'd like to take the opportunity to clarify some fundamental aspects, as relates to the discussion here: The famous "Talmud page" (discussed in the links in the parent comment) was set by a Christian printer in the 16th century. It emulated a common layout in medieval Christian manuscripts for Christian primary texts and commentaries [0]. The analogy of the Talmud to a hypertext isn't especially apt, IMO. The Talmud indeed extensively cites Bible and Mishnah, and uses lots of technical terms. In this regard, a better analogy is to legal literature (which is what the Talmud in fact is). While being couched as a (fictional) "conversation"/dialogue between rabbis who lived over the course of ~400 years (100 CE to 500 CE). In fact, Kabbalah (as another commenter mentioned) is a better example of a “hypertext,” since it’s full of recurring symbols that point to different Sefirot and other core concepts. (By way of credentials: I hold an MA in academic Talmud and Kabbalah, write on these subjects in several venues, and have presented at academic workshops. Over the past two years, I’ve also been developing digital-humanities projects related to this work.) References: [0] https://seforimblog.com/2023/06/from-print-to-pixel-digital-editions-of-the-talmud-bavli/ https://seforimblog.com/2023/06/from-print-to-pixel-digital-... [1] https://www.ezrabrand.com/p/beyond-the-mystique-correcting-common https://www.ezrabrand.com/p/beyond-the-mystique-correcting-c...
    - gritten 11mo ago
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    - knuckleheads 11mo ago
      That's awesome!! Thank you very much! I would have next asked you, what do you think of those apps for studying the Talmud, https://www.sefaria.org/app https://www.sefaria.org/app et al, but in those links you already mention it. Looking forward to reading these, thanks!
      - ezrabrand 11mo ago
        Definitely! Sefaria is incredible, it's revolutionized access to classical texts. And their API gives full and complete access. My vibe-coded Talmud reader website fetches Talmud, Bible, and translations from Sefaria, you might be interested in checking it out :) https://chavrutAI.com/ https://chavrutAI.com/ Source code here: https://github.com/EzraBrand/replit-chavrutai-2 https://github.com/EzraBrand/replit-chavrutai-2 I've been vibe-coding it over the last few months using Replit, it's been a really cool experience
        kosolam 11mo ago
        Oh wow, that’s quite cool. Thanks.
        knuckleheads 11mo ago
        piling on to also say, very neat!!
    - bradrn 11mo ago
      > The analogy of the Talmud to a hypertext isn't especially apt, IMO. Isn’t it? Every page of the Talmud includes marginal notes (Masoret HaShas, Ein Mishpat, Torah Or) giving cross-references to relevant parts of the Torah, Talmud and other legal codes. In a web-based version I think it would be natural to represent those with hypertext.

guy4261 11mo ago

Talmud - the original hypertext (tm) (*maybe, not 100% sure)

ofrzeta 11mo ago
see also Pi, the movie, although it's more about numbers and the Kabbalah :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_(film)
- ezrabrand 11mo ago
  Long-time HN lurker here! Was excited to see this discussion around my major interests of Talmud, Kabbalah, and tech. There are a lot of misconceptions and mystique surrounding the Talmud. I'd like to take the opportunity to clarify some fundamental aspects, as relates to the discussion here: The famous "Talmud page" (discussed in the links in the parent comment) was set by a Christian printer in the 16th century. It emulated a common layout in medieval Christian manuscripts for Christian primary texts and commentaries [0]. The analogy of the Talmud to a hypertext isn't especially apt, IMO. The Talmud indeed extensively cites Bible and Mishnah, and uses lots of technical terms. In this regard, a better analogy is to legal literature (which is what the Talmud in fact is). While being couched as a (fictional) "conversation"/dialogue between rabbis who lived over the course of ~400 years (100 CE to 500 CE). In fact, Kabbalah (as another commenter mentioned) is a better example of a “hypertext,” since it’s full of recurring symbols that point to different Sefirot and other core concepts. (By way of credentials: I hold an MA in academic Talmud and Kabbalah, write on these subjects in several venues, and have presented at academic workshops. Over the past two years, I’ve also been developing digital-humanities projects related to this work.) References: [0] https://seforimblog.com/2023/06/from-print-to-pixel-digital-editions-of-the-talmud-bavli/ https://seforimblog.com/2023/06/from-print-to-pixel-digital-... [1] https://www.ezrabrand.com/p/beyond-the-mystique-correcting-common https://www.ezrabrand.com/p/beyond-the-mystique-correcting-c...
  - gritten 11mo ago
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  - knuckleheads 11mo ago
    That's awesome!! Thank you very much! I would have next asked you, what do you think of those apps for studying the Talmud, https://www.sefaria.org/app https://www.sefaria.org/app et al, but in those links you already mention it. Looking forward to reading these, thanks!
    - ezrabrand 11mo ago
      Definitely! Sefaria is incredible, it's revolutionized access to classical texts. And their API gives full and complete access. My vibe-coded Talmud reader website fetches Talmud, Bible, and translations from Sefaria, you might be interested in checking it out :) https://chavrutAI.com/ https://chavrutAI.com/ Source code here: https://github.com/EzraBrand/replit-chavrutai-2 https://github.com/EzraBrand/replit-chavrutai-2 I've been vibe-coding it over the last few months using Replit, it's been a really cool experience
      - kosolam 11mo ago
        Oh wow, that’s quite cool. Thanks.
        knuckleheads 11mo ago
        piling on to also say, very neat!!
  - bradrn 11mo ago
    > The analogy of the Talmud to a hypertext isn't especially apt, IMO. Isn’t it? Every page of the Talmud includes marginal notes (Masoret HaShas, Ein Mishpat, Torah Or) giving cross-references to relevant parts of the Torah, Talmud and other legal codes. In a web-based version I think it would be natural to represent those with hypertext.