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Last Issue of "ECMAScript News"

65 points by Klaster_1 11mo ago

RaizedByWolves 11mo ago
Too bad, I liked it. Does anyone have a good alternative to the newsletter?
- uallo 11mo ago
  https://javascriptweekly.com https://javascriptweekly.com, https://frontendfoc.us https://frontendfoc.us
  - jazzypants 11mo ago
    These both gave me an "invalid request" when I tried to sign up. I'm on my cell phone so I can't debug further.
    - petercooper 11mo ago
      Unfortunately we've had endless waves of botnets attempting to subscribe thousands of fake email addresses to us over the years, and while our IP reputation system helps keep this at bay, it's also catching quite a lot of legitimate users now thanks to the prevalance of VPNs. So we'll need to come up with a new approach. (And no, even Cloudflare Turnstile isn't enough to keep them away, sadly, as there are plenty of human-backed adversarial networks too trying to make scam Gmail addresses look legit by subscribing them to newsletters.) However, we do subscribe many people manually, and we also have RSS - http://javascriptweekly.com/rss http://javascriptweekly.com/rss - so you don't have to deal with email at all if you don't want to. There are also numerous other options out there, which I've linked in a sibling comment.
      - jazzypants 11mo ago
        Awesome, I just added your feeds to my RSS reader. I appreciate you offering that option. Thanks for the prompt response. Keep up the good work! :)
  - Klaster_1 11mo ago
    Also https://nodeweekly.com https://nodeweekly.com. Checked my emails, turns out I've been subscribed to ES News from the first issue in 2016.
    - embedding-shape 11mo ago
      Anyone have any recommendations that aren't run by Cooper? All of the suggestions so far are run by the same person and while I don't have anything against them personally, a bit of diversity wouldn't hurt :)
      - yesthisiswes 11mo ago
        I like bytes.dev https://bytes.dev/ https://bytes.dev/
      - petercooper 11mo ago
        Hi. I am he. But I agree! https://www.reddit.com/r/javascript/ https://www.reddit.com/r/javascript/ https://thisweekinreact.com/ https://thisweekinreact.com/ https://piccalil.li/the-index/ https://piccalil.li/the-index/ https://bytes.dev/ https://bytes.dev/ https://www.reddit.com/r/reactjs https://www.reddit.com/r/reactjs https://www.reddit.com/r/node https://www.reddit.com/r/node (and typescript and vuejs and angular..) The more the merrier. Also HN is pretty good itself much of the time. For example: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastWeek&page=0&prefix=false&query=javascript&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastWeek&page=0&prefix=fal...
    - jazzypants 11mo ago
      This also gave me an "invalid request" response.
Raed667 11mo ago
I'm not minimizing the amount of effort it takes to curate links, but does a mailing list need to constantly grow for it to be viable ? What does it mean to "operate at a loss" in this case ?
- dbushell 11mo ago
  it costs money to send a lot of emails that aren't immediately blocked or sent to the junk folder
- spiffytech 11mo ago
  My first guess is ESP pricing. Just to pull numbers out of thin air to anchor the conversation, mailing to 20,000 subscribers costs $200–$400/mo at Mailchimp/ConvertKit/Klaviyo, three of the top choices in the space. If it's 50,000 subscribers, that's $380–$800/mo.
  - alt227 11mo ago
    Just playing devils advocate, but why not just switch to posting on a free hosted blog platform? The information can be there for all to see, it doesnt need to be distributed directly into mailboxes by premium mailer services.
    - monooso 11mo ago
      I have no idea whether the hosting is free, but they already have an online archive [1]. Either way, "free hosting" doesn't cover the time required to produce each issue. If you're happy to do such ongoing work without recompense, please consider starting a successor. [1] https://ecmascript.news/archive.html https://ecmascript.news/archive.html
      - alt227 11mo ago
        The parent comment I was replying to was talking about the cost of distributing a mailing list via email. I was replying to that, no need for snark.
someone_jain_ 11mo ago
Regardless of the growth discussion, I liked reading the newsletter! Thank you for curating it :)

65 points by Klaster_1 11mo ago

RaizedByWolves 11mo ago

Too bad, I liked it. Does anyone have a good alternative to the newsletter?

uallo 11mo ago
https://javascriptweekly.com https://javascriptweekly.com, https://frontendfoc.us https://frontendfoc.us
- jazzypants 11mo ago
  These both gave me an "invalid request" when I tried to sign up. I'm on my cell phone so I can't debug further.
  - petercooper 11mo ago
    Unfortunately we've had endless waves of botnets attempting to subscribe thousands of fake email addresses to us over the years, and while our IP reputation system helps keep this at bay, it's also catching quite a lot of legitimate users now thanks to the prevalance of VPNs. So we'll need to come up with a new approach. (And no, even Cloudflare Turnstile isn't enough to keep them away, sadly, as there are plenty of human-backed adversarial networks too trying to make scam Gmail addresses look legit by subscribing them to newsletters.) However, we do subscribe many people manually, and we also have RSS - http://javascriptweekly.com/rss http://javascriptweekly.com/rss - so you don't have to deal with email at all if you don't want to. There are also numerous other options out there, which I've linked in a sibling comment.
    - jazzypants 11mo ago
      Awesome, I just added your feeds to my RSS reader. I appreciate you offering that option. Thanks for the prompt response. Keep up the good work! :)
- Klaster_1 11mo ago
  Also https://nodeweekly.com https://nodeweekly.com. Checked my emails, turns out I've been subscribed to ES News from the first issue in 2016.
  - embedding-shape 11mo ago
    Anyone have any recommendations that aren't run by Cooper? All of the suggestions so far are run by the same person and while I don't have anything against them personally, a bit of diversity wouldn't hurt :)
    - yesthisiswes 11mo ago
      I like bytes.dev https://bytes.dev/ https://bytes.dev/
    - petercooper 11mo ago
      Hi. I am he. But I agree! https://www.reddit.com/r/javascript/ https://www.reddit.com/r/javascript/ https://thisweekinreact.com/ https://thisweekinreact.com/ https://piccalil.li/the-index/ https://piccalil.li/the-index/ https://bytes.dev/ https://bytes.dev/ https://www.reddit.com/r/reactjs https://www.reddit.com/r/reactjs https://www.reddit.com/r/node https://www.reddit.com/r/node (and typescript and vuejs and angular..) The more the merrier. Also HN is pretty good itself much of the time. For example: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastWeek&page=0&prefix=false&query=javascript&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastWeek&page=0&prefix=fal...
  - jazzypants 11mo ago
    This also gave me an "invalid request" response.

Raed667 11mo ago

I'm not minimizing the amount of effort it takes to curate links, but does a mailing list need to constantly grow for it to be viable ? What does it mean to "operate at a loss" in this case ?

dbushell 11mo ago
it costs money to send a lot of emails that aren't immediately blocked or sent to the junk folder
spiffytech 11mo ago
My first guess is ESP pricing. Just to pull numbers out of thin air to anchor the conversation, mailing to 20,000 subscribers costs $200–$400/mo at Mailchimp/ConvertKit/Klaviyo, three of the top choices in the space. If it's 50,000 subscribers, that's $380–$800/mo.
- alt227 11mo ago
  Just playing devils advocate, but why not just switch to posting on a free hosted blog platform? The information can be there for all to see, it doesnt need to be distributed directly into mailboxes by premium mailer services.
  - monooso 11mo ago
    I have no idea whether the hosting is free, but they already have an online archive [1]. Either way, "free hosting" doesn't cover the time required to produce each issue. If you're happy to do such ongoing work without recompense, please consider starting a successor. [1] https://ecmascript.news/archive.html https://ecmascript.news/archive.html
    - alt227 11mo ago
      The parent comment I was replying to was talking about the cost of distributing a mailing list via email. I was replying to that, no need for snark.

someone_jain_ 11mo ago

Regardless of the growth discussion, I liked reading the newsletter! Thank you for curating it :)