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>but if you overstay a visa you should expect detention. I really dont get this view. Like you could substitute detention with a 1 dollar a day fine, or commu

>but if you overstay a visa you should expect detention. I really dont get this view. Like you could substitute detention with a 1 dollar a day fine, or community service. Why does the punishment for this particular crime, have to be detention. Why is it worse than making your local council mad for not taking out the bins. The severity of the punishment is just ludicrous compared to the crime of participating in a community, and the US isnt the only place with this brainrot. The community isn't harmed by an overstay as it is with say, shooting people or stabbing people. In fact it seems widely recognised that these people contribute in the net positive. It also seems like there's an overwhelming consensus that its easier to sort out immigration issues from inside the target country, outside of detention with access to legal representation.

anon291 11mo ago
Because this is immigration and there is no right to be in another country. I've been detained for irregularities in other countries while just doing tourism. This is a normal and expected part of travelling to foreign countries.
- mktk1001 11mo ago
  Detaining people based on their skin color is not normal anywhere except US
  - anon291 11mo ago
    As an actual brown person, I was concerned about these laws being used to target people by skin color. However if you read the article, it's all about white European migrants being detained, so I think it's pretty clear that the law is not about brown people bad. Nice try though
- closeparen 11mo ago
  Americans have the right to marry and thereby grant status to foreigners.
- protocolture 11mo ago
  Theres no right to speed in your car or drop litter on the ground, but they attract less severe penalties.
  - anon291 11mo ago
    Immigration is different because it needs to be addressed. For example, a tail light being out shouldn't result in jail time but it does need to result in the light being fixed. With immigration, the issue that needs fixing is your presence in a country. Look, I respect people who actually believe in free movement globally but most people claiming there's something wrong here don't believe in open borders.
    - protocolture 11mo ago
      Why does it need to be addressed? Whats the pressing concern that makes immigration worse than a tail light?
pandaman 11mo ago
A rational relief for being in the country illegally is a removal of such an individual from the country. Same as if somebody enters your house and you don't want them there, you don't ask for a dollar a day or to clean up the dishes, do you? You ask them to leave and call police if they refuse. This is where detention comes into play: people who don't want to leave the country need to be detained before forcibly transported outside the country's border, maybe in the future, when we invent instant teleportation, we will be able to just send them home without detention but the current realities do not allow for that.
- protocolture 11mo ago
  >A rational relief for being in the country illegally is a removal of such an individual from the country. Right, but immigration detention isnt that. >Same as if somebody enters your house and you don't want them there, you don't ask for a dollar a day or to clean up the dishes, do you? You ask them to leave and call police if they refuse. The house analogy is really weird and does not at all fit the realities of a nation. >This is where detention comes into play: people who don't want to leave the country need to be detained before forcibly transported outside the country's border, maybe in the future, when we invent instant teleportation, we will be able to just send them home without detention but the current realities do not allow for that. They dont need to be detained. Theres no process that cant be completed before deportation without detention. It is arbitrary punishment. Your own tortured analogy of the house, does not detain prisoners in the basement while awaiting court in the I don't know Laundry to see if their marriage to someone in the master bedroom is valid. Theres no reason someone cant live working in the living room? (who comes up with these terrible seppoisms?) and sleeping in their room that they can somehow afford to pay for in your house somehow while the laundry judge rules on their case before taking them to the roof airport? Feeling a bit like the house thing is forced to come to some predetermined conclusion but its not as obvious as made out nor is it any good. Anyway to blow that whole thing open I looked at the silly seppo website and: "Most aliens ICE arrests are detained and eventually removed. In some cases, these people remain in ICE detention for months while they wait for a final decision from an immigration judge." https://www.ice.gov/self-deportation https://www.ice.gov/self-deportation Theres nothing wrong with: > Complete legal process while living in situ > If determination is, deportation, fine X and escort person to airport/border. You would probably spend less money giving people 2 further weeks to deal with their affairs beforehand but w/e not required. Detention, especially before trial, being a necessary component is a ghost that lives entirely in your head that you can evict at any time.

anon291 11mo ago

Because this is immigration and there is no right to be in another country. I've been detained for irregularities in other countries while just doing tourism. This is a normal and expected part of travelling to foreign countries.

mktk1001 11mo ago
Detaining people based on their skin color is not normal anywhere except US
- anon291 11mo ago
  As an actual brown person, I was concerned about these laws being used to target people by skin color. However if you read the article, it's all about white European migrants being detained, so I think it's pretty clear that the law is not about brown people bad. Nice try though
closeparen 11mo ago
Americans have the right to marry and thereby grant status to foreigners.
protocolture 11mo ago
Theres no right to speed in your car or drop litter on the ground, but they attract less severe penalties.
- anon291 11mo ago
  Immigration is different because it needs to be addressed. For example, a tail light being out shouldn't result in jail time but it does need to result in the light being fixed. With immigration, the issue that needs fixing is your presence in a country. Look, I respect people who actually believe in free movement globally but most people claiming there's something wrong here don't believe in open borders.
  - protocolture 11mo ago
    Why does it need to be addressed? Whats the pressing concern that makes immigration worse than a tail light?

pandaman 11mo ago

A rational relief for being in the country illegally is a removal of such an individual from the country. Same as if somebody enters your house and you don't want them there, you don't ask for a dollar a day or to clean up the dishes, do you? You ask them to leave and call police if they refuse. This is where detention comes into play: people who don't want to leave the country need to be detained before forcibly transported outside the country's border, maybe in the future, when we invent instant teleportation, we will be able to just send them home without detention but the current realities do not allow for that.

protocolture 11mo ago
>A rational relief for being in the country illegally is a removal of such an individual from the country. Right, but immigration detention isnt that. >Same as if somebody enters your house and you don't want them there, you don't ask for a dollar a day or to clean up the dishes, do you? You ask them to leave and call police if they refuse. The house analogy is really weird and does not at all fit the realities of a nation. >This is where detention comes into play: people who don't want to leave the country need to be detained before forcibly transported outside the country's border, maybe in the future, when we invent instant teleportation, we will be able to just send them home without detention but the current realities do not allow for that. They dont need to be detained. Theres no process that cant be completed before deportation without detention. It is arbitrary punishment. Your own tortured analogy of the house, does not detain prisoners in the basement while awaiting court in the I don't know Laundry to see if their marriage to someone in the master bedroom is valid. Theres no reason someone cant live working in the living room? (who comes up with these terrible seppoisms?) and sleeping in their room that they can somehow afford to pay for in your house somehow while the laundry judge rules on their case before taking them to the roof airport? Feeling a bit like the house thing is forced to come to some predetermined conclusion but its not as obvious as made out nor is it any good. Anyway to blow that whole thing open I looked at the silly seppo website and: "Most aliens ICE arrests are detained and eventually removed. In some cases, these people remain in ICE detention for months while they wait for a final decision from an immigration judge." https://www.ice.gov/self-deportation https://www.ice.gov/self-deportation Theres nothing wrong with: > Complete legal process while living in situ > If determination is, deportation, fine X and escort person to airport/border. You would probably spend less money giving people 2 further weeks to deal with their affairs beforehand but w/e not required. Detention, especially before trial, being a necessary component is a ghost that lives entirely in your head that you can evict at any time.