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Europeans have still not forgotten the impact of WW2. Musk sieg heiling on live TV (twice!!!) is not something they take lightly. Tesla sales of cratered over t

by octaane 10mo ago

Europeans have still not forgotten the impact of WW2. Musk sieg heiling on live TV (twice!!!) is not something they take lightly. Tesla sales of cratered over there, rightfully so, because of his completely unforced error.

t1E9mE7JTRjf 10mo ago
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- esperent 10mo ago
  It's weird when you see an account like this on HN (a tech site) and when you check their comment history the only comments more than a few words long are in defense of American right wing political talking points. I might even say it's suspicious.
  - t1E9mE7JTRjf 10mo ago
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  - fzeroracer 10mo ago
    It definitely feels like there's been an uptick in the past few months of far right brigading. There's been a number of times where I've seen incredibly low effort and inflammatory posts flag-killed from recent accounts only to be vouched for and revived.
- maddmann 10mo ago
  I was in Italy over the summer and they seemed to universally detest musk, and trump there. So much, in fact, that it is embarrassing to be a US citizen in Europe with these fools “representing” the US.
  - t1E9mE7JTRjf 10mo ago
    did you meet people who base buying a car off of who the car company owner supported in a foreign (to them) election? or would you say these were ordinary people or more the kind of people paying attention to international events? (genuine question). I get that to an american it's contentious, but imagine not buying a toyota car or samsung phone because the powerful head of that company gave huge amounts to a conservative politician in their country. That's how I look at elon/trump in the us, and given I never hear normal people (not reddit/hackernews/guardian) talking about ANY of this stuff, I'd guess I'm not alone.
    - rkomorn 10mo ago
      I'm in Portugal and I have definitely met people outside of tech who talk about Musk in ways that I'm pretty sure mean they would not consider buying Teslas. Same applies to some friends in France. I assume the topic comes up more with me because I lived in the US for a long time before moving back to Europe, but I'm guessing their opinions are there even if the topic doesn't come up as often in conversations with other locals, for example.
    - jeromegv 10mo ago
      Considering he is a fascist, makes nazi sign, spent hundreds of millions of the money he made to elect a mad man, yes, that’s enough to influence me not to buy their cars. Do I know who the CEOs of all car companies vote for? No. But also none of them spent so much capital electing Trump and threatened to destroy Canada’s sovereignty so I guess I make my consumer choices with the info I have.
    - maddmann 10mo ago
      I’m not going to generalize, but I already told you, I met people who had a profound dislike of elon/trump and I don’t think I saw a single Tesla during that trip. Maybe Italy is a different case since they have a passion for high quality cars, so makes more sense that there would be other reasons for them avoiding Tesla.
    - Timon3 10mo ago
      You're forgetting that Musk is trying to influence national politics the world over. He's injecting money into far right movements in multiple European nations and keeps commenting on legal and judicial decisions in many countries, often complaining if things don't go the way the far right wants - all while using his influence over his companies to spread his views, like when he desperately wanted people to believe in the "white genocide". I don't think the Toyota CEO is trying to have anywhere close to this much influence over most European countries, and I'm honestly not aware of anyone else doing so. For years, Musk has been behaving like a literal Bond villain.
baiac 10mo ago
I’m European and nobody cares about WW2. References to that period of time do not go beyond punchlines. I have no idea why Tesla sales are cratering but this isn’t it.
- claudiug 10mo ago
  I'm European and I care. Keep you ignorance for yourself.
- whynotmaybe 10mo ago
  I guess you're not in Germany. https://www.autoblog.com/news/94-of-germans-wouldnt-consider-buying-a-tesla-survey-finds https://www.autoblog.com/news/94-of-germans-wouldnt-consider...
  - baiac 10mo ago
    Have you even clicked the article? > T Online has now reported that bots manipulated the survey, with 253,000 votes originating from just two U.S.-based IP addresses
- lawn 10mo ago
  Yes, it's clear you have no idea. You can be ignorant in Europe too.
- karmakurtisaani 10mo ago
  If you're not a total doofus, you should be able to look around you and see how things still today are worse off because of the nazis than they would have been without them. But we have doofi among us, so you might just be one.
- tim333 10mo ago
  Maybe it depends on your age group but a lot of people do care. They gassed my grandfather's brother for example. It's not that ancient history. Also fascist WW2 tanks rolling into Ukraine is somewhat reminiscent of the phenomenon of modern fascist tanks rolling into Ukraine.
bamboozled 10mo ago
It's almost like the world isn't a joe rogan podcast

by octaane 10mo ago

t1E9mE7JTRjf 10mo ago

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esperent 10mo ago
It's weird when you see an account like this on HN (a tech site) and when you check their comment history the only comments more than a few words long are in defense of American right wing political talking points. I might even say it's suspicious.
- t1E9mE7JTRjf 10mo ago
  [flagged]
- fzeroracer 10mo ago
  It definitely feels like there's been an uptick in the past few months of far right brigading. There's been a number of times where I've seen incredibly low effort and inflammatory posts flag-killed from recent accounts only to be vouched for and revived.
maddmann 10mo ago
I was in Italy over the summer and they seemed to universally detest musk, and trump there. So much, in fact, that it is embarrassing to be a US citizen in Europe with these fools “representing” the US.
- t1E9mE7JTRjf 10mo ago
  did you meet people who base buying a car off of who the car company owner supported in a foreign (to them) election? or would you say these were ordinary people or more the kind of people paying attention to international events? (genuine question). I get that to an american it's contentious, but imagine not buying a toyota car or samsung phone because the powerful head of that company gave huge amounts to a conservative politician in their country. That's how I look at elon/trump in the us, and given I never hear normal people (not reddit/hackernews/guardian) talking about ANY of this stuff, I'd guess I'm not alone.
  - rkomorn 10mo ago
    I'm in Portugal and I have definitely met people outside of tech who talk about Musk in ways that I'm pretty sure mean they would not consider buying Teslas. Same applies to some friends in France. I assume the topic comes up more with me because I lived in the US for a long time before moving back to Europe, but I'm guessing their opinions are there even if the topic doesn't come up as often in conversations with other locals, for example.
  - jeromegv 10mo ago
    Considering he is a fascist, makes nazi sign, spent hundreds of millions of the money he made to elect a mad man, yes, that’s enough to influence me not to buy their cars. Do I know who the CEOs of all car companies vote for? No. But also none of them spent so much capital electing Trump and threatened to destroy Canada’s sovereignty so I guess I make my consumer choices with the info I have.
  - maddmann 10mo ago
    I’m not going to generalize, but I already told you, I met people who had a profound dislike of elon/trump and I don’t think I saw a single Tesla during that trip. Maybe Italy is a different case since they have a passion for high quality cars, so makes more sense that there would be other reasons for them avoiding Tesla.
  - Timon3 10mo ago
    You're forgetting that Musk is trying to influence national politics the world over. He's injecting money into far right movements in multiple European nations and keeps commenting on legal and judicial decisions in many countries, often complaining if things don't go the way the far right wants - all while using his influence over his companies to spread his views, like when he desperately wanted people to believe in the "white genocide". I don't think the Toyota CEO is trying to have anywhere close to this much influence over most European countries, and I'm honestly not aware of anyone else doing so. For years, Musk has been behaving like a literal Bond villain.

baiac 10mo ago

I’m European and nobody cares about WW2. References to that period of time do not go beyond punchlines. I have no idea why Tesla sales are cratering but this isn’t it.

claudiug 10mo ago
I'm European and I care. Keep you ignorance for yourself.
whynotmaybe 10mo ago
I guess you're not in Germany. https://www.autoblog.com/news/94-of-germans-wouldnt-consider-buying-a-tesla-survey-finds https://www.autoblog.com/news/94-of-germans-wouldnt-consider...
- baiac 10mo ago
  Have you even clicked the article? > T Online has now reported that bots manipulated the survey, with 253,000 votes originating from just two U.S.-based IP addresses
lawn 10mo ago
Yes, it's clear you have no idea. You can be ignorant in Europe too.
karmakurtisaani 10mo ago
If you're not a total doofus, you should be able to look around you and see how things still today are worse off because of the nazis than they would have been without them. But we have doofi among us, so you might just be one.
tim333 10mo ago
Maybe it depends on your age group but a lot of people do care. They gassed my grandfather's brother for example. It's not that ancient history. Also fascist WW2 tanks rolling into Ukraine is somewhat reminiscent of the phenomenon of modern fascist tanks rolling into Ukraine.

bamboozled 10mo ago

It's almost like the world isn't a joe rogan podcast