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You're a libertarian but regulatory intervention made everything about the market better and a better world for everyone involved with a relatively small change

You're a libertarian but regulatory intervention made everything about the market better and a better world for everyone involved with a relatively small change that was being stubbornly refused by a company for a small marginal benefit to themselves?

CharlesW 11mo ago
We call them "LINO"s.
- firefax 11mo ago
  Left libertarianism is compatible with such views. Basically, libertarian on social issues paired with a preference for a decentralized economy, as opposed to a "tankie" (Stalinist) style centrally planned economy.
  - closingreunion 11mo ago
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  - baiac 11mo ago
    What is “left libertarianism” supposed to look like? I find this concept baffling. The end result of libertarianism is nothing like what the left is supposed to support.
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    - firefax 11mo ago
      >What is “left libertarianism” supposed to look like? I find this concept baffling Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarianism
- JAlexoid 11mo ago
  Or... You know... We also like watching one giant corporation that benefits from distinctly authoritarian policies get wrecked by another authoritarian entity to the benefit of better competition in the market. But apparently unless you're a suckup to the authoritarian entity that you like is now a LINO.
  - star-glider 11mo ago
    Bingo.
star-glider 11mo ago
Sure, because I think that, ultimately excessive regulation stifles innovation. I mean, heck, the EU is looking to effectively dismantle GDPR because they're worried that it's going to cause them to miss out on the AI boom. My point was just that Apple is such an outrageously bad actor (and the USB-C and Airdrop rules so beneficial) that these rules were getting even a very pro-market person like me to at least be open to the idea of regulating some of these out-of-control giants.
- GenerWork 11mo ago
  Your last paragraph doesn't really make you come off as a libertarian at all. If Apple is truly a bad actor, then the libertarian response isn't to have the EU force them to use USB-C on iPhones, it's for people to move away from iPhones to other choices, which means Androids.
  - intrasight 11mo ago
    Libertarian ideals only work if there is more freedom of choice than we have here.
- timeon 11mo ago
  > EU is looking to effectively dismantle GDPR The reason is lobby, not innovations.
- wat10000 11mo ago
  “Excessive regulation stifles innovation” is pretty much a tautology. The point of argument is what constitutes “excessive.” Libertarians generally consider almost any amount to be excessive. What you’re describing just sounds like being aware of tradeoffs, which should be true of anyone paying attention.

CharlesW 11mo ago

We call them "LINO"s.

firefax 11mo ago
Left libertarianism is compatible with such views. Basically, libertarian on social issues paired with a preference for a decentralized economy, as opposed to a "tankie" (Stalinist) style centrally planned economy.
- closingreunion 11mo ago
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- baiac 11mo ago
  What is “left libertarianism” supposed to look like? I find this concept baffling. The end result of libertarianism is nothing like what the left is supposed to support.
  - deleted 11mo ago
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  - firefax 11mo ago
    >What is “left libertarianism” supposed to look like? I find this concept baffling Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarianism
JAlexoid 11mo ago
Or... You know... We also like watching one giant corporation that benefits from distinctly authoritarian policies get wrecked by another authoritarian entity to the benefit of better competition in the market. But apparently unless you're a suckup to the authoritarian entity that you like is now a LINO.
- star-glider 11mo ago
  Bingo.

star-glider 11mo ago

Sure, because I think that, ultimately excessive regulation stifles innovation. I mean, heck, the EU is looking to effectively dismantle GDPR because they're worried that it's going to cause them to miss out on the AI boom. My point was just that Apple is such an outrageously bad actor (and the USB-C and Airdrop rules so beneficial) that these rules were getting even a very pro-market person like me to at least be open to the idea of regulating some of these out-of-control giants.

GenerWork 11mo ago
Your last paragraph doesn't really make you come off as a libertarian at all. If Apple is truly a bad actor, then the libertarian response isn't to have the EU force them to use USB-C on iPhones, it's for people to move away from iPhones to other choices, which means Androids.
- intrasight 11mo ago
  Libertarian ideals only work if there is more freedom of choice than we have here.
timeon 11mo ago
> EU is looking to effectively dismantle GDPR The reason is lobby, not innovations.
wat10000 11mo ago
“Excessive regulation stifles innovation” is pretty much a tautology. The point of argument is what constitutes “excessive.” Libertarians generally consider almost any amount to be excessive. What you’re describing just sounds like being aware of tradeoffs, which should be true of anyone paying attention.