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Wayland is missing one thing still for me. Perhaps someone can tell me there is a way to do this: 1. ssh into a machine with a running session 2. start (some

by aidenn0 11mo ago

Wayland is missing one thing still for me. Perhaps someone can tell me there is a way to do this: 1. ssh into a machine with a running session 2. start (something) that lets me remotely connect to it Right now I have two working solutions for X11 (x11vnc, freerdp-shadow) but zero for Wayland. I think this is intentional because the venn diagram of remote-access-tools and malware has a large intersection, but it's very useful too!

yjftsjthsd-h 11mo ago
Isn't that wayvnc?
- aidenn0 11mo ago
  If that really meets my needs, that will pull me away from KDE to a wlroots based compositor. I'll try it later, thanks.
  - c-hendricks 11mo ago
    KRDP: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/krdp https://invent.kde.org/plasma/krdp But it needs a logged-in session, you can't get access to the login manager.
    - aidenn0 11mo ago
      I want to connect to a logged-in session; I can't get krdp to let me do it without me locally granting permissions though.
      - noisem4ker 11mo ago
        They fixed that. I can definitely connect remotely in an unattended way as long as I'm logged in locally. These might have something to do with it: https://develop.kde.org/docs/administration/portal-permissions/ https://develop.kde.org/docs/administration/portal-permissio... https://invent.kde.org/plasma/krdp/-/merge_requests/102 https://invent.kde.org/plasma/krdp/-/merge_requests/102
- c-hendricks 11mo ago
  wayvnc works for wlroots-based Wayland compositors, sadly not all Wayland compositors are wlroots-based
  - yjftsjthsd-h 11mo ago
    Well, yes, the answer to basically any "can I do foo in Wayland" is "as long as you're on compositor bar or baz" because it was built in a way that guarantees fragmentation. There isn't a single way to take a screenshot, of course remote desktop is fragmented. But wayvnc is a good answer to the question, even including that caveat.
maeln 11mo ago
There is VNC server for wayland like wayvnc.
MyOutfitIsVague 11mo ago
RustDesk might do the job, but I haven't used it on Linux, so I can't tell you for sure.
- wltr 11mo ago
  It works for me, and I see little difference with AnyDesk I used before. However, I’m not a frequent user, just a very occasional one to troubleshoot some of elderly friends, parents, etc. I’d love to have my own relay for it, but I never managed to find my time to do that.
willis936 11mo ago
I've had good luck with Ubuntu 25.10's builtin remote desktop RDP server. I think it's gnome remote desktop, but I'm not certain. https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-remote-desktop https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-remote-desktop
- aidenn0 11mo ago
  I will build or buy an IP-based kvm that plugs into my hdmi port and has passthrough for the local monitor before I use GNOME. I used GNOME for many years, but nearly every UX decision they have made in the past 20 years has been the polar opposite of my desires. I have come to the conclusion that the developers in the GNOME project don't want me using their software and I'm happy to oblige them.
  - wltr 11mo ago
    I’m a pro user with over two decades of experience, I don’t use Gnome all the time (I prefer Sway these days), but I’m all-in for having a nice DE that would embrace regular people with its simplicity. IMO Gnome does that very well. Yet, I am, as a pro-user can use that almost as good as I use my sway desktop. At home, our shared guest room computer runs default Fedora, and I don’t feel any limitations with it (it has almost none of my configs), and can do most of my work when I’m up to it. The only real difference is when I want to spend like a whole day working with it. An hour or two, no real difference. Saying that, why won’t you just use the DE targeted at you, as a pro user? With Gnome, I rather afraid they might mess the simplicity at some point and start doing features features features for the sake of them. See KDE Plasma with their settings. I used it since KDE2, and while I rather like it, I am still getting lost in all the bells and whistles. They are too many, and I’ve been around for a really long time.
    - gary_0 11mo ago
      > a nice DE that would embrace regular people Then you want something that directly copies Windows. Gnome doesn't do that; it very much does its own thing, which confuses regular people who typically just want an unenshittified Windows.
noisem4ker 11mo ago
For RDP, you've got KRDP and gnome-remote-desktop. That "with a running session" bit greatly helps here. While GDM allows you to have remote login and headless sessions [1], with SDDM you're locked out for the moment. There's plans to turn SDDM into a KDE-powered, more featured plasma-login-manager with KRDP integration, but no concrete development yet [2]. [1]: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-remote-desktop https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-remote-desktop [2]: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-login-manager https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-login-manager
- aidenn0 11mo ago
  Last time I tried krdp, it didn't fit my needs. I needed to have already started krdp locally if I want to connect remotely. Neither x11vnc nor freerdp-shadow have that limitation.
  - noisem4ker 11mo ago
    Since Plasma 6.1 (june 2024) you get a system settings module where you can enable KRDP to run at login. https://quantumproductions.info/articles/2024-06/krdp-plasma-61 https://quantumproductions.info/articles/2024-06/krdp-plasma... (I assumed being logged in is what you meant by having "a running session".)
  - Conan_Kudo 11mo ago
    It is possible to start it on-demand via the command-line. That is how krdp is developed and tested. You will need to pre-authorize krdp to the portal system, though. That's documented here: https://develop.kde.org/docs/administration/portal-permissions/ https://develop.kde.org/docs/administration/portal-permissio...
    - aidenn0 11mo ago
      Hah, that actually works, thanks! Is it possible to do the permission-set remotely?
      - 11mo ago
Conan_Kudo 11mo ago
KDE Plasma offers two options: 1. KRdp (preferred): a RDP server for KDE Plasma. 2. KRfb: a VNC server for KDE Plasma. Both should be able to be configured to support your use-case. If they can't, please file bugs!
redeeman 11mo ago
you could do this with waypipe

by aidenn0 11mo ago

yjftsjthsd-h 11mo ago

Isn't that wayvnc?

aidenn0 11mo ago
If that really meets my needs, that will pull me away from KDE to a wlroots based compositor. I'll try it later, thanks.
- c-hendricks 11mo ago
  KRDP: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/krdp https://invent.kde.org/plasma/krdp But it needs a logged-in session, you can't get access to the login manager.
  - aidenn0 11mo ago
    I want to connect to a logged-in session; I can't get krdp to let me do it without me locally granting permissions though.
    - noisem4ker 11mo ago
      They fixed that. I can definitely connect remotely in an unattended way as long as I'm logged in locally. These might have something to do with it: https://develop.kde.org/docs/administration/portal-permissions/ https://develop.kde.org/docs/administration/portal-permissio... https://invent.kde.org/plasma/krdp/-/merge_requests/102 https://invent.kde.org/plasma/krdp/-/merge_requests/102
c-hendricks 11mo ago
wayvnc works for wlroots-based Wayland compositors, sadly not all Wayland compositors are wlroots-based
- yjftsjthsd-h 11mo ago
  Well, yes, the answer to basically any "can I do foo in Wayland" is "as long as you're on compositor bar or baz" because it was built in a way that guarantees fragmentation. There isn't a single way to take a screenshot, of course remote desktop is fragmented. But wayvnc is a good answer to the question, even including that caveat.

maeln 11mo ago

There is VNC server for wayland like wayvnc.

MyOutfitIsVague 11mo ago

RustDesk might do the job, but I haven't used it on Linux, so I can't tell you for sure.

wltr 11mo ago
It works for me, and I see little difference with AnyDesk I used before. However, I’m not a frequent user, just a very occasional one to troubleshoot some of elderly friends, parents, etc. I’d love to have my own relay for it, but I never managed to find my time to do that.

willis936 11mo ago

I've had good luck with Ubuntu 25.10's builtin remote desktop RDP server. I think it's gnome remote desktop, but I'm not certain. https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-remote-desktop https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-remote-desktop

aidenn0 11mo ago
I will build or buy an IP-based kvm that plugs into my hdmi port and has passthrough for the local monitor before I use GNOME. I used GNOME for many years, but nearly every UX decision they have made in the past 20 years has been the polar opposite of my desires. I have come to the conclusion that the developers in the GNOME project don't want me using their software and I'm happy to oblige them.
- wltr 11mo ago
  I’m a pro user with over two decades of experience, I don’t use Gnome all the time (I prefer Sway these days), but I’m all-in for having a nice DE that would embrace regular people with its simplicity. IMO Gnome does that very well. Yet, I am, as a pro-user can use that almost as good as I use my sway desktop. At home, our shared guest room computer runs default Fedora, and I don’t feel any limitations with it (it has almost none of my configs), and can do most of my work when I’m up to it. The only real difference is when I want to spend like a whole day working with it. An hour or two, no real difference. Saying that, why won’t you just use the DE targeted at you, as a pro user? With Gnome, I rather afraid they might mess the simplicity at some point and start doing features features features for the sake of them. See KDE Plasma with their settings. I used it since KDE2, and while I rather like it, I am still getting lost in all the bells and whistles. They are too many, and I’ve been around for a really long time.
  - gary_0 11mo ago
    > a nice DE that would embrace regular people Then you want something that directly copies Windows. Gnome doesn't do that; it very much does its own thing, which confuses regular people who typically just want an unenshittified Windows.

noisem4ker 11mo ago

For RDP, you've got KRDP and gnome-remote-desktop. That "with a running session" bit greatly helps here. While GDM allows you to have remote login and headless sessions [1], with SDDM you're locked out for the moment. There's plans to turn SDDM into a KDE-powered, more featured plasma-login-manager with KRDP integration, but no concrete development yet [2]. [1]: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-remote-desktop https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-remote-desktop [2]: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-login-manager https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-login-manager

aidenn0 11mo ago
Last time I tried krdp, it didn't fit my needs. I needed to have already started krdp locally if I want to connect remotely. Neither x11vnc nor freerdp-shadow have that limitation.
- noisem4ker 11mo ago
  Since Plasma 6.1 (june 2024) you get a system settings module where you can enable KRDP to run at login. https://quantumproductions.info/articles/2024-06/krdp-plasma-61 https://quantumproductions.info/articles/2024-06/krdp-plasma... (I assumed being logged in is what you meant by having "a running session".)
- Conan_Kudo 11mo ago
  It is possible to start it on-demand via the command-line. That is how krdp is developed and tested. You will need to pre-authorize krdp to the portal system, though. That's documented here: https://develop.kde.org/docs/administration/portal-permissions/ https://develop.kde.org/docs/administration/portal-permissio...
  - aidenn0 11mo ago
    Hah, that actually works, thanks! Is it possible to do the permission-set remotely?
    - 11mo ago

Conan_Kudo 11mo ago

KDE Plasma offers two options: 1. KRdp (preferred): a RDP server for KDE Plasma. 2. KRfb: a VNC server for KDE Plasma. Both should be able to be configured to support your use-case. If they can't, please file bugs!

redeeman 11mo ago

you could do this with waypipe