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Again, sucks to be in the US as a programmer today maybe, but this isn't true elsewhere in the world, and especially not if you already have at least some exper

Again, sucks to be in the US as a programmer today maybe, but this isn't true elsewhere in the world, and especially not if you already have at least some experience.

lm28469 1y ago
Definitely true in western Europe, and finding a job is extremely hard for the vast majority of non expert devs. Of course if you're in south eastern europe or in south asia where all the jobs are being offshored you're having the time of your life.
- embedding-shape 1y ago
  > Definitely true in western Europe, and finding a job is extremely hard for the vast majority of non expert devs. I don't know what else to say except that hasn't been my experience personally, nor the experience of my acquaintances who've re-skilled to become programmers these last few years, in Western Europe.
  - amrocha 1y ago
    Do you base your entire worldview purely on your own personal experience?
    - embedding-shape 1y ago
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      - amrocha 1y ago
        It’s ok to admit that you were wrong. Your experience is good, but the industry is doing very poorly right now. I showed you data to back that up. Someone else posted data about Europe. Don’t close your eyes and plug your ears and pretend you didn’t hear anything.
  - lm28469 1y ago
    Anecdotes are cool but we came up with a neat little thing known as statistics. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tech-job-postings-fall-across-060040793.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tech-job-postings-fall-across... > Among the 27 countries analysed, European nations saw the steepest fall in tech job postings between 1 February 2020 and 31 October 2025, > In absolute terms, the decline exceeded 40% in Switzerland (-46%) and the UK (-41%), with France (-39%) close behind. > The United States showed a similar trend, with a decline of 35%. Austria (-34%), Sweden (-32%) and Germany (-30%) were also at comparable levels.
MattRix 1y ago
You seem to keep having to add more and more qualifiers to your statements…
- nosianu 1y ago
  I only see one. "Outside the US" was the starting proposition, then they only added "experienced".

Again, sucks to be in the US as a programmer today maybe, but this isn't true elsewhere in the world, and especially not if you already have at least some experience.

lm28469 1y ago

Definitely true in western Europe, and finding a job is extremely hard for the vast majority of non expert devs. Of course if you're in south eastern europe or in south asia where all the jobs are being offshored you're having the time of your life.

embedding-shape 1y ago
> Definitely true in western Europe, and finding a job is extremely hard for the vast majority of non expert devs. I don't know what else to say except that hasn't been my experience personally, nor the experience of my acquaintances who've re-skilled to become programmers these last few years, in Western Europe.
- amrocha 1y ago
  Do you base your entire worldview purely on your own personal experience?
  - embedding-shape 1y ago
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    - amrocha 1y ago
      It’s ok to admit that you were wrong. Your experience is good, but the industry is doing very poorly right now. I showed you data to back that up. Someone else posted data about Europe. Don’t close your eyes and plug your ears and pretend you didn’t hear anything.
- lm28469 1y ago
  Anecdotes are cool but we came up with a neat little thing known as statistics. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tech-job-postings-fall-across-060040793.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tech-job-postings-fall-across... > Among the 27 countries analysed, European nations saw the steepest fall in tech job postings between 1 February 2020 and 31 October 2025, > In absolute terms, the decline exceeded 40% in Switzerland (-46%) and the UK (-41%), with France (-39%) close behind. > The United States showed a similar trend, with a decline of 35%. Austria (-34%), Sweden (-32%) and Germany (-30%) were also at comparable levels.

MattRix 1y ago

You seem to keep having to add more and more qualifiers to your statements…

nosianu 1y ago
I only see one. "Outside the US" was the starting proposition, then they only added "experienced".