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You're talking about being a tradesman on a forum dedicated to software and maybe making a company out of said software? If people liked the idea of being outsi

You're talking about being a tradesman on a forum dedicated to software and maybe making a company out of said software? If people liked the idea of being outside in the weather, doing manual labor as you've described, there is a very large chance they would not be on this forum.

pavel_lishin 1y ago
It's very often that people here lament the fact that they're not outside being outside, in the weather, doing manual labor. How may of us don't dream, at least once a week, of walking out into the woods, or taking up woodworking instead, or wondering how long it would take to retrain as a plumber? I channel that into my gardening during the appropriate seasons, but now that it's November, all that woodworking equipment in the garage is lookin' mighty appealing.
- SoftTalker 1y ago
  > how long it would take to retrain as a plumber Yeah people have thoughts like this but then you hear a story about lying on your back in a muddy 3’ crawl space cutting into a blocked sewer line to install a cleanout and hoping you can roll away when the liquid starts pouring out. Then your desk job writing code starts to sound a little better.
  - pavel_lishin 1y ago
    Well hey, that's why I'm still commenting here. I've seen what the plumbers who come to my house have to do.
bcrl 1y ago
Most of my career has been in software development. Running an ISP / carrier is more fun as there's more of a variety from day to day (as is the case for anything entrepreneurial) while still involving technical skills. There is a need for with some programming from time to time, but it is usually tied to solving a particular business need. I'm sure there are other people out there frustrated with the software grind. My point is that change is always an option. There are interesting problems to solve in the world that exist outside of large software projects that most folks here have the required skill sets to tackle.
venturecruelty 1y ago
As we all know, the only real job is writing React web apps.
squigz 1y ago
There is a shocking variety of users on HN. Don't make the mistake of thinking we're all software developers sitting in front of a computer all day. People like GP - and other hardware monkeys* - are the reason your computer works. Don't be rude. * Said with much love <3

pavel_lishin 1y ago

It's very often that people here lament the fact that they're not outside being outside, in the weather, doing manual labor. How may of us don't dream, at least once a week, of walking out into the woods, or taking up woodworking instead, or wondering how long it would take to retrain as a plumber? I channel that into my gardening during the appropriate seasons, but now that it's November, all that woodworking equipment in the garage is lookin' mighty appealing.

SoftTalker 1y ago
> how long it would take to retrain as a plumber Yeah people have thoughts like this but then you hear a story about lying on your back in a muddy 3’ crawl space cutting into a blocked sewer line to install a cleanout and hoping you can roll away when the liquid starts pouring out. Then your desk job writing code starts to sound a little better.
- pavel_lishin 1y ago
  Well hey, that's why I'm still commenting here. I've seen what the plumbers who come to my house have to do.

bcrl 1y ago

Most of my career has been in software development. Running an ISP / carrier is more fun as there's more of a variety from day to day (as is the case for anything entrepreneurial) while still involving technical skills. There is a need for with some programming from time to time, but it is usually tied to solving a particular business need. I'm sure there are other people out there frustrated with the software grind. My point is that change is always an option. There are interesting problems to solve in the world that exist outside of large software projects that most folks here have the required skill sets to tackle.

venturecruelty 1y ago

As we all know, the only real job is writing React web apps.

squigz 1y ago

There is a shocking variety of users on HN. Don't make the mistake of thinking we're all software developers sitting in front of a computer all day. People like GP - and other hardware monkeys* - are the reason your computer works. Don't be rude. * Said with much love <3