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The billionaire overlords have already proven they have no ethics - they got to be billionaire overlords, didn't they? Maybe there's still enough ethics left i

by hn_acc1 11mo ago

The billionaire overlords have already proven they have no ethics - they got to be billionaire overlords, didn't they? Maybe there's still enough ethics left in the general SWE population to make a difference.

surgical_fire 11mo ago
It will make no difference. You may refuse jobs and starve if you want. There are enough people to take the job anyway.
- atmavatar 11mo ago
  This is a standard cop-out that bears challenging every time it's used. By refusing the job, you narrow the number of people who can do the job, making it more expensive, both because there are fewer candidates to do the job and because it makes the hunt for employees take longer. It also gives cover for others who aren't confident to stand against the job by themselves when they see others refuse it. There's a non-zero chance that refusing such a job means it becomes too expensive to be feasible, especially if it requires expertise held by a limited set of individuals.
  - surgical_fire 11mo ago
    > By refusing the job, you narrow the number of people who can do the job By refusing a job, I only narrow my employment opportunities. The bank won't take my goodwill as payment before they take the house for not paying the mortgage. This is essentially where the discussion ends. The world is cursed. I have to engage with systems that were not of my creation, and that will devour me if I am complacent. But we keep moving forward anyway. I would like these companies to not exist. For the billionaires that direct them to create immeasurable damage to society to pay for their misdeeds. I even vote for whichever party that promises to limit the reach of those companies. What I won't do is damage the lives of those that depend on me in an empty gesture of moral grandstanding.
- jmye 11mo ago
  Anyone talking a job at Meta knows the entire point of their job is to make young men angry, and young women depressed. And they do it anyway, because they expressly agree with those outcomes as long as it pays them an exorbitant salary. Blaming it all on Zuckerberg is bullshit designed to make “you” feel better about what a complicit, worthless asshole “you” are when there are countless jobs doing things that aren’t expressly and intentionally evil. There are no good people working at these companies. Being clear, the you in my comment is the generic you - not directed at you the individual I’m replying to.
  - surgical_fire 11mo ago
    I agree with all you said, but the material conditions are still the same. The engine that grinds people is not of my own making, and I may wish it didn't exist. But the engine exists, and will grind me too. The engine is designed to force people into submission. The power imbalance is too strong against the common man.
- computerthings 11mo ago
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by hn_acc1 11mo ago

surgical_fire 11mo ago

It will make no difference. You may refuse jobs and starve if you want. There are enough people to take the job anyway.

atmavatar 11mo ago
This is a standard cop-out that bears challenging every time it's used. By refusing the job, you narrow the number of people who can do the job, making it more expensive, both because there are fewer candidates to do the job and because it makes the hunt for employees take longer. It also gives cover for others who aren't confident to stand against the job by themselves when they see others refuse it. There's a non-zero chance that refusing such a job means it becomes too expensive to be feasible, especially if it requires expertise held by a limited set of individuals.
- surgical_fire 11mo ago
  > By refusing the job, you narrow the number of people who can do the job By refusing a job, I only narrow my employment opportunities. The bank won't take my goodwill as payment before they take the house for not paying the mortgage. This is essentially where the discussion ends. The world is cursed. I have to engage with systems that were not of my creation, and that will devour me if I am complacent. But we keep moving forward anyway. I would like these companies to not exist. For the billionaires that direct them to create immeasurable damage to society to pay for their misdeeds. I even vote for whichever party that promises to limit the reach of those companies. What I won't do is damage the lives of those that depend on me in an empty gesture of moral grandstanding.
jmye 11mo ago
Anyone talking a job at Meta knows the entire point of their job is to make young men angry, and young women depressed. And they do it anyway, because they expressly agree with those outcomes as long as it pays them an exorbitant salary. Blaming it all on Zuckerberg is bullshit designed to make “you” feel better about what a complicit, worthless asshole “you” are when there are countless jobs doing things that aren’t expressly and intentionally evil. There are no good people working at these companies. Being clear, the you in my comment is the generic you - not directed at you the individual I’m replying to.
- surgical_fire 11mo ago
  I agree with all you said, but the material conditions are still the same. The engine that grinds people is not of my own making, and I may wish it didn't exist. But the engine exists, and will grind me too. The engine is designed to force people into submission. The power imbalance is too strong against the common man.
computerthings 11mo ago
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