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> I don't think people would be concerned about that explanation either... I think they need to hear real-world consequences I think you're right. I'm not hope

by xethos 11mo ago

> I don't think people would be concerned about that explanation either... I think they need to hear real-world consequences I think you're right. I'm not hopeful the general population will change and suddenly say "E2EE matters, dammit!". Because the small scale consequences are boiling the frog, and the major ones "could never happen to me". I'm sure we've all seen the Google account that got nuked [0, 1], but pointing that out to people is likely to garner responses ranging from "But I need Google for $thing" to "I don't have kids, so I'm fine". We unfortunately don't have any medium-scale fallout - just ghost stories of one guy, one time, being bitten. [0] Costing the guy his phone number, photos, emails, contacts, any paid apps, documents in Google Drive, and presumably associating his credit card, address, and name with a banned account. Given how Google relies on automation for flagging and harassing accounts, I'd expect his troubles aren't over just yet should he make a new Google account. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/21/23315513/google-photos-csam-scanning-account-deletion-investigation https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/21/23315513/google-photos-cs...

port11 11mo ago
We really have _plenty_ of identity theft, personalised scams (hi Tess' mom!), accounts hacked, large scale photo leaks, etc. People just a) don't hear about it enough, or b) quickly move on to the next crisis with their hands up bexause what can you do. Privacy-preserving options are also often not as easy/convenient/friendly to use. People, perhaps, don't care. But that's a cynical assumption. They supposedly don't care about the environment and yet we're moving the needle on that.
- xethos 11mo ago
  > They supposedly don't care about the environment and yet we're moving the needle on that. Actually, good call, and nice analogy, thank you. That's a nice reminder that when cause and effect are far apart, it's easy for people to not conenct the dots; it actually makes for a nice explanation, and helps me be less cynical about it.

by xethos 11mo ago

port11 11mo ago

We really have _plenty_ of identity theft, personalised scams (hi Tess' mom!), accounts hacked, large scale photo leaks, etc. People just a) don't hear about it enough, or b) quickly move on to the next crisis with their hands up bexause what can you do. Privacy-preserving options are also often not as easy/convenient/friendly to use. People, perhaps, don't care. But that's a cynical assumption. They supposedly don't care about the environment and yet we're moving the needle on that.

xethos 11mo ago
> They supposedly don't care about the environment and yet we're moving the needle on that. Actually, good call, and nice analogy, thank you. That's a nice reminder that when cause and effect are far apart, it's easy for people to not conenct the dots; it actually makes for a nice explanation, and helps me be less cynical about it.