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You forgot c) we're in a culture where people jump ship every 3-5 years. There's no incentive to learn from mistakes that you don't talk about at the next compa

You forgot c) we're in a culture where people jump ship every 3-5 years. There's no incentive to learn from mistakes that you don't talk about at the next company, nor any care for the long term health of the current company. >a sophisticated attempt at building a professional organization that can spread simple standards which organizations can clearly measure themselves against. We have that as a form of IEEE, but it really doesn't come up much if you're not already neck deep in the organization.

jakub_g 1y ago
> 3-5 years That's maybe in Europe. Plenty of US developers those days have a litany of ~1-2 year stints at FAANGs and startups du jour in their CV.
- asa400 1y ago
  Speaking as someone in the US, I've worked at multiple companies (some startups, some small businesses, some larger) that have either outright imploded or had mass department-level layoffs inside that 1-2 year timeframe. Some of them I would have stayed at longer than 1-2 years if I had the choice. I'm not claiming it's universal by any means, but there is a lot of volatility at US businesses in my personal experience.
  - venturecruelty 1y ago
    And as usual, the employees get blamed. Maybe people wouldn't jump ship if companies didn't lay people off with reckless abandon, or hire sociopathic bosses to manage people, or screw them out of raises, or overwork them, or lie during the interview process. The little people are going to do what they need to do to survive. If these multi-billion or even multi-trillion dollar companies feel some type of way about it, well, they're the ones with all the power, not us. They're more than welcome to change the culture at any time.
    - acessoproibido 11mo ago
      Companies at that level (fang,trillions) are like "alien" intelligences, like a form of slow moving AI - no human being has the ability to influence or change them in any significant manner.
ajkjk 1y ago
True although perhaps that is part of (a), things move too fast.
tines 1y ago
Jump ship every 3-5 years because if you don’t, your wages will stagnate. A prophet has honor except in his own home as it were.

jakub_g 1y ago

> 3-5 years That's maybe in Europe. Plenty of US developers those days have a litany of ~1-2 year stints at FAANGs and startups du jour in their CV.

asa400 1y ago
Speaking as someone in the US, I've worked at multiple companies (some startups, some small businesses, some larger) that have either outright imploded or had mass department-level layoffs inside that 1-2 year timeframe. Some of them I would have stayed at longer than 1-2 years if I had the choice. I'm not claiming it's universal by any means, but there is a lot of volatility at US businesses in my personal experience.
- venturecruelty 1y ago
  And as usual, the employees get blamed. Maybe people wouldn't jump ship if companies didn't lay people off with reckless abandon, or hire sociopathic bosses to manage people, or screw them out of raises, or overwork them, or lie during the interview process. The little people are going to do what they need to do to survive. If these multi-billion or even multi-trillion dollar companies feel some type of way about it, well, they're the ones with all the power, not us. They're more than welcome to change the culture at any time.
  - acessoproibido 11mo ago
    Companies at that level (fang,trillions) are like "alien" intelligences, like a form of slow moving AI - no human being has the ability to influence or change them in any significant manner.

ajkjk 1y ago

True although perhaps that is part of (a), things move too fast.

tines 1y ago

Jump ship every 3-5 years because if you don’t, your wages will stagnate. A prophet has honor except in his own home as it were.