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> What surveillance are you trying to avoid? As I said, as much as I possibly can. > there are a million ways you are being tracked everywhere, avoiding airpo
by JohnFen 11mo ago
> What surveillance are you trying to avoid?
As I said, as much as I possibly can.
> there are a million ways you are being tracked everywhere, avoiding airports means nothing
I disagree. It may not mean much, but it means something. Particularly in combination with avoiding a lot of other "meaningless" privacy intrusions.
You may not feel that avoiding being spied on is a worthwhile activity anymore. That's fair. It's worthwhile for me. I may not be able to do much to avoid this kind of oppression, but I'm not willing to just roll over and take it, either.
- raw_anon_1111 11mo agoHow I feel about it is irrelevant. You’re preventing absolutely nothing by refusing to go into an airport when there are much better ways that the government can track you - including your cell phone and credit card usage. It means nothing that you are avoiding airports. It not only doesn’t “mean much”. It means nothing.
- JohnFen 11mo agoWe disagree. That's OK. If nothing else, though, it means something to me: it means avoiding a place than I am incredibly uncomfortable being in, and I'm not rewarding systems and behaviors that I think are harmful. That's a win all by itself.
- mixmastamyk 11mo agoYou assume everyone is driving around constantly with a common mobile phone and credit cards, but that is not the case.
- raw_anon_1111 11mo ago97% of adults between 18-49 in the US have a cell phone. https://www.statista.com/statistics/489255/percentage-of-us-smartphone-owners-by-age-group/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/489255/percentage-of-us-... 94% of payments in the US are made with a debit or credit card https://www.atlantafed.org/blogs/take-on-payments/2024/11/18/new-fed-payments-study-details-card-use-in-us https://www.atlantafed.org/blogs/take-on-payments/2024/11/18...
- mixmastamyk 11mo agoThat doesn’t address much of what was mentioned. Lots of off grid people in this town don’t do all three. Am not offgrid but don’t do them either. You’re in the wrong place trying to appeal to the defeatism of regular folks.
- raw_anon_1111 11mo agoSo “lots of people” == 3% of the US population? And you don’t have a cell phone?
- mixmastamyk 11mo agoAn old one I keep at home or in plane mode. We also have tens of thousands of homeless and millions of undocs in our corner that don’t do a lot of the three. Add to the few privacy conscious and I dispute those figures.