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My reaction also. 80K payroll rules!!! Without much prompt effort, I got about 350K Canada Federal Service employees (sorry if not correct).

by ruralfam 10mo ago

dmix 10mo ago
Sounds like they put zero effort into simplifying those rules the first time around. Now in the new project they put together a committee to attempt it > The main objective of this committee also includes simplifying the pay rules for public servants, in order to reduce the complexity of the development of Phoenix's replacement. This complexity of the current pay rules is a result of "negotiated rules for pay and benefits over 60 years that are specific to each of over 80 occupational groups in the public service." making it difficult to develop a single solution which can handle each occupational groups specific needs.
- stackskipton 10mo ago
  I have worked on government payroll systems, simplifying those rules is almost impossible from political PoV. They are generally a combo of weird laws, court cases, union contracts and more. Any time you think about touching them, the people who get those salaries come out in droves and no one else cares so government has every incentive to leave them alone.
  - tehjoker 10mo ago
    You could simplify them if you made sure the people getting them got overall more money ;) The government doesn't want to do that though.
    - BeFlatXIII 10mo ago
      The taxpayers might get rather uppity, too.
      - tehjoker 10mo ago
        Do they get uppity about all the wars?
        BeFlatXIII 10mo ago
        Not enough of them, unfortunately.
- franktankbank 10mo ago
  Oh great a committee!
  - AndrewDucker 10mo ago
    Committees are how you discover what the problems are and agree solutions. No single person is going to understand all of the history and legality involved, or be able to represent the people on all sides of this mess. Yes, this means discussion, investigation, almost certainly months of effort to find something that works, and lots of compromise. That's how adults deal with complex situations.

My reaction also. 80K payroll rules!!! Without much prompt effort, I got about 350K Canada Federal Service employees (sorry if not correct).

dmix 10mo ago

Sounds like they put zero effort into simplifying those rules the first time around. Now in the new project they put together a committee to attempt it > The main objective of this committee also includes simplifying the pay rules for public servants, in order to reduce the complexity of the development of Phoenix's replacement. This complexity of the current pay rules is a result of "negotiated rules for pay and benefits over 60 years that are specific to each of over 80 occupational groups in the public service." making it difficult to develop a single solution which can handle each occupational groups specific needs.

stackskipton 10mo ago
I have worked on government payroll systems, simplifying those rules is almost impossible from political PoV. They are generally a combo of weird laws, court cases, union contracts and more. Any time you think about touching them, the people who get those salaries come out in droves and no one else cares so government has every incentive to leave them alone.
- tehjoker 10mo ago
  You could simplify them if you made sure the people getting them got overall more money ;) The government doesn't want to do that though.
  - BeFlatXIII 10mo ago
    The taxpayers might get rather uppity, too.
    - tehjoker 10mo ago
      Do they get uppity about all the wars?
      - BeFlatXIII 10mo ago
        Not enough of them, unfortunately.
franktankbank 10mo ago
Oh great a committee!
- AndrewDucker 10mo ago
  Committees are how you discover what the problems are and agree solutions. No single person is going to understand all of the history and legality involved, or be able to represent the people on all sides of this mess. Yes, this means discussion, investigation, almost certainly months of effort to find something that works, and lots of compromise. That's how adults deal with complex situations.