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> My only suggestion was for her to ask the teacher to sit down with her and have a 30-60 minute oral discussion on the essay so she could demonstrate she in fa

> My only suggestion was for her to ask the teacher to sit down with her and have a 30-60 minute oral discussion on the essay so she could demonstrate she in fact knew the material. This sounds like, a good solution? It’s the exception case, so shouldn’t be constant (false positives), although I suppose this fails if everyone cheats and everyone wants to claim innocence.

throwaway31131 11mo ago
You hinted to it but at what point are you basically giving individual oral exams to the entire class for every assignment? There are surveys where 80% of high school students self report using AI on assignments. I guess we could go back to giving exams soviet Russia style where you get a couple of questions that you have to answer orally in front of the whole class and that’s your grade. Not fun…
- lll-o-lll 11mo ago
  Sounds good! Why not?
  - oblio 11mo ago
    Stress levels for introverts.
    - amrocha 11mo ago
      You’re gonna have to talk about your work to people that matter at some point in your life. You can’t keep hiding behind being an introvert your whole life.
      - oblio 11mo ago
        1. I'm not introvert :-) 2. Speaking about your work in front of 1-2-5 people is one thing, but being tested in front of an entire class (30 people?) is a totally different thing.
        ghaff 11mo ago
        In high school English, someone (rotating order) had to give a 5-10 minute talk about something in front of the class every week/class. Seems like a pretty good idea in general.
        amrocha 11mo ago
        It’s not that different from giving a presentation in front of your team to a stakeholder. It’s not that different from speaking up in your neighborhood group. Speaking in front of people and advocating for yourself is a core human skill. If you don’t practice it you’re setting yourself up for failure. I would even say it has nothing to do with introverts and extroverts.
      - grog454 11mo ago
        Who did Satoshi talk to?
  - HDThoreaun 11mo ago
    Too expensive. Baumols cost disease has made teachers expensive in the US. There aren’t enough to do verbal exams
- amrocha 11mo ago
  We did this in Italy, but not in front of the whole class. It was pretty fun, it’s worth a try.
- joshvm 11mo ago
  You don't need oral exams, you just need in-person. So a written test in the classroom, under exam conditions, would suffice. In this particular resolution example, it would be quicker to ask the student some probing questions versus have them re-write (and potentially regurgitate) an essay.
- theptip 11mo ago
  My current idea for this is to have AI administer the 1:1 oral exam. I’m quite confident this would work through grade school at least. For exams you’d need a proctored environment of some sort, say a row of conference booths so students can’t just bring notes. You’d want to have some system for ephemeral recording so the teachers can do a risk-based audit and sample some %, eg one-two questions from each student. Honestly for regular weekly assignments you might not even need the heavyweight proctoring and could maybe allow notes, since you can tell if someone knows what they are talking about in conversation , it’s impossible to crib-sheet your way to fluent conversational understanding.
  - SoftTalker 11mo ago
    These days a teacher cannot ever be with a student in a 1:1 situation. At least not in K-12.

throwaway31131 11mo ago

You hinted to it but at what point are you basically giving individual oral exams to the entire class for every assignment? There are surveys where 80% of high school students self report using AI on assignments. I guess we could go back to giving exams soviet Russia style where you get a couple of questions that you have to answer orally in front of the whole class and that’s your grade. Not fun…

lll-o-lll 11mo ago
Sounds good! Why not?
- oblio 11mo ago
  Stress levels for introverts.
  - amrocha 11mo ago
    You’re gonna have to talk about your work to people that matter at some point in your life. You can’t keep hiding behind being an introvert your whole life.
    - oblio 11mo ago
      1. I'm not introvert :-) 2. Speaking about your work in front of 1-2-5 people is one thing, but being tested in front of an entire class (30 people?) is a totally different thing.
      - ghaff 11mo ago
        In high school English, someone (rotating order) had to give a 5-10 minute talk about something in front of the class every week/class. Seems like a pretty good idea in general.
      - amrocha 11mo ago
        It’s not that different from giving a presentation in front of your team to a stakeholder. It’s not that different from speaking up in your neighborhood group. Speaking in front of people and advocating for yourself is a core human skill. If you don’t practice it you’re setting yourself up for failure. I would even say it has nothing to do with introverts and extroverts.
    - grog454 11mo ago
      Who did Satoshi talk to?
- HDThoreaun 11mo ago
  Too expensive. Baumols cost disease has made teachers expensive in the US. There aren’t enough to do verbal exams
amrocha 11mo ago
We did this in Italy, but not in front of the whole class. It was pretty fun, it’s worth a try.
joshvm 11mo ago
You don't need oral exams, you just need in-person. So a written test in the classroom, under exam conditions, would suffice. In this particular resolution example, it would be quicker to ask the student some probing questions versus have them re-write (and potentially regurgitate) an essay.
theptip 11mo ago
My current idea for this is to have AI administer the 1:1 oral exam. I’m quite confident this would work through grade school at least. For exams you’d need a proctored environment of some sort, say a row of conference booths so students can’t just bring notes. You’d want to have some system for ephemeral recording so the teachers can do a risk-based audit and sample some %, eg one-two questions from each student. Honestly for regular weekly assignments you might not even need the heavyweight proctoring and could maybe allow notes, since you can tell if someone knows what they are talking about in conversation , it’s impossible to crib-sheet your way to fluent conversational understanding.
- SoftTalker 11mo ago
  These days a teacher cannot ever be with a student in a 1:1 situation. At least not in K-12.