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My pessimism is that with their coming clamp-down on external sources for -installing- "sideloading" apps https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45736479 https://

My pessimism is that with their coming clamp-down on external sources for -installing- "sideloading" apps https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45736479 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45736479 this os may be somewhere between macos and ipados in terms of freedom in the coming years. I have hope that Valve's operating systems and unified platforms will provide a way not only for macos/windows users to move on while retaining compatibility, but for the company to make the transition to arm (as they are with deckard) and retain total binary freedom.

vbezhenar 11mo ago
Home computers are inherently more open to sideloading. So I don't see a scenario where they would close it. But may be I'm spoiled by x86, wouldn't be surprised to find out that ARM computers would not be open to boot unlock and all that stuff.
- WorldPeas 11mo ago
  If you're not accustomed to it, arm computers have no BIOS/UEFI boot selection and usually require a custom bootloader to load a new OS. I remember many fun hobby projects of old with x86 where I could take an old x86 appliance and put in a clean linux disk to use the hardware however I wanted, nowadays your OS needs to be signed, and because the root is owned, the software can be limited to that what the OEM or OS company desires, much like what MS is trying to do with TPM2 and Win11. Of all the ARM phones I've seen, perhaps 10% support bootloader unlock, and that's only with a certain carrier, the problem is that it's not a unified platform, support has to be implemented per-device, so even if the bootloader is open, the OS may not be up to date (as many have noted with dodgy third party arm boards)
- ajvs 11mo ago
  Just think about how few Android devices have an open bootloader right now, there's no reason to think it'd be any different on larger hardware.
  - nolist_policy 11mo ago
    On the flip side, every Chromebook and Chromebox has a unlockable and open-spurce coreboot bootloader.
    - WorldPeas 11mo ago
      I love their mechanism where one opens the device and removes a screw to unlock it. Very novel and honestly kind of fun.
- jansper39 11mo ago
  We used to call installing software on our own device, installing.
- abdullahkhalids 11mo ago
  MacOS requires dropping to the terminal to install unsigned applications. There is literally no need for this, except to ensure apple profits.
  - ruperthair 11mo ago
    When do you see this? For me, I just go to System Settings → Privacy & Security. Scroll down to Security and look for the message about the blocked app, click Allow Anyway, and then reopen the app.
    - abdullahkhalids 11mo ago
      If I install Xournall++[1], just opening the application will fail and MacOS will ask me to move it into trash. I am required to execute `xattr -c /Applications/Xournal++.app` to "remove quarantine". I just reinstalled and can confirm that I don't see anything in the System Settings as you say. [1] https://github.com/xournalpp/xournalpp/releases/tag/v1.2.8 https://github.com/xournalpp/xournalpp/releases/tag/v1.2.8

vbezhenar 11mo ago

Home computers are inherently more open to sideloading. So I don't see a scenario where they would close it. But may be I'm spoiled by x86, wouldn't be surprised to find out that ARM computers would not be open to boot unlock and all that stuff.

WorldPeas 11mo ago
If you're not accustomed to it, arm computers have no BIOS/UEFI boot selection and usually require a custom bootloader to load a new OS. I remember many fun hobby projects of old with x86 where I could take an old x86 appliance and put in a clean linux disk to use the hardware however I wanted, nowadays your OS needs to be signed, and because the root is owned, the software can be limited to that what the OEM or OS company desires, much like what MS is trying to do with TPM2 and Win11. Of all the ARM phones I've seen, perhaps 10% support bootloader unlock, and that's only with a certain carrier, the problem is that it's not a unified platform, support has to be implemented per-device, so even if the bootloader is open, the OS may not be up to date (as many have noted with dodgy third party arm boards)
ajvs 11mo ago
Just think about how few Android devices have an open bootloader right now, there's no reason to think it'd be any different on larger hardware.
- nolist_policy 11mo ago
  On the flip side, every Chromebook and Chromebox has a unlockable and open-spurce coreboot bootloader.
  - WorldPeas 11mo ago
    I love their mechanism where one opens the device and removes a screw to unlock it. Very novel and honestly kind of fun.
jansper39 11mo ago
We used to call installing software on our own device, installing.
abdullahkhalids 11mo ago
MacOS requires dropping to the terminal to install unsigned applications. There is literally no need for this, except to ensure apple profits.
- ruperthair 11mo ago
  When do you see this? For me, I just go to System Settings → Privacy & Security. Scroll down to Security and look for the message about the blocked app, click Allow Anyway, and then reopen the app.
  - abdullahkhalids 11mo ago
    If I install Xournall++[1], just opening the application will fail and MacOS will ask me to move it into trash. I am required to execute `xattr -c /Applications/Xournal++.app` to "remove quarantine". I just reinstalled and can confirm that I don't see anything in the System Settings as you say. [1] https://github.com/xournalpp/xournalpp/releases/tag/v1.2.8 https://github.com/xournalpp/xournalpp/releases/tag/v1.2.8