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Education funding is highest in places that have the worst results. Try again.

• krainboltgreene 11mo ago
  Just flatly not true.
• Izikiel43 11mo ago
  Because they use whole language theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_language) instead of phonics for teaching how to read.
• mythrwy 11mo ago
  New Mexico (where I live) is dead last in education out of all 50 states. They are currently advertising for elementary school teachers between 65-85K per year. Summers off. Nice pension. In this low cost of living state that is a very good salary, particularly the upper bands. I don't think it's a money issue at this point.
• lm28469 11mo ago
  Yes for example is its very well known that Angola has a top tier education system while Swedish people can barely read or count
  • wing-_-nuts 11mo ago
    Well, if you actually look at the data: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cmd/education-expenditures-by-country https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cmd/education-exp... We spend far more than most countries per pupil, for much poorer results https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/pisa-scores-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/pisa-scor... It's pretty clear that while spending is a factor, it's probably not the biggest one. The countries that seem to do best are those that combine adequate funding with real rigor in instruction.
    • Herring 11mo ago
      I posted elsewhere you can't just compare across the globe like that. You have to think about cost of living and especially opportunity cost. In the US, teacher pay lags behind similarly educated professionals, which means they get stretched thin and the best with options will leave.
      • wing-_-nuts 11mo ago
        Ok, so then look at teacher salary by country: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/teacher-salary-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/teacher-s... We're higher paying than a number of countries with higher cost of living that (whether fairly or unfairly) pay lower than us. I stand by my assertion. I don't think our per pupil spending is the major bottleneck in our performance. I think our educational system needs fundamental reform (just like everything else in this country)
        • Herring 11mo ago
          You need a different analysis. Maybe more like this https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/interactive/teachers-pay.html https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/interactive/te... Or this: > While U.S. teachers make 58% of their counterparts’ salaries, Finnish teachers make 92% of the salaries of similarly educated professions. This trend follows with other countries ranked highly in the World Happiness Report. Teachers in Denmark (ranked #2 in World Happiness) make 81% of their counterparts’ salaries and teachers in Sweden (ranked #4) make 74% of their counterparts’ salaries. https://www.ednc.org/perspective-how-the-worlds-happiest-country-supports-its-teachers/ https://www.ednc.org/perspective-how-the-worlds-happiest-cou...
          • wing-_-nuts 11mo ago
            I mean, I don't deny that teachers are paid less compared to other fields, but that is actually pretty universal among occupations that provide the worker with a higher sense of purpose. You can see the same thing in social work, the non profit sector and elsewhere. Whether that's truly just is an entirely different question than 'is there a direct relationship between teacher pay and student achievement' and looking at all other sources I've provided, there clearly is not.