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Investing in education is a trap because no matter how much money is pumped into the current model, it’s not making a difference. We need different models and

Investing in education is a trap because no matter how much money is pumped into the current model, it’s not making a difference. We need different models and then to invest in the successes, over and over again…forever.

thewebguyd 11mo ago
Because education alone in a vacuum won't fix the issues. Even if the current model was working, just continuing to invest money in it while ignoring other issues like early childhood nutrition, a good and healthy home environment, environmental impacts, etc. will just continue to fail people. Schooling alone isn't going to help the kid with a crappy home life, with poor parents who can't afford proper nutrition, and without the proper tools to develop the mindset needed to learn (because these tools were never taught by the parents, and/or they are too focused on simply surviving). We, as a society, need to stop allowing people to be in a situation where they can't focus on education because they are too focused on working and surviving.
- brightball 11mo ago
  Exactly correct.
krainboltgreene 11mo ago
It's so hilarious to look at 10k years of education history and be like "Nah, funding doesn't make a difference." Incredible.
- brightball 11mo ago
  The US already spends more per student than almost any other country (5th globally) and the outcomes are getting constantly worse. It’s not a funding problem.
  - reverius42 11mo ago
    A lot of that funding in the US goes to pay teachers money they then use to pay for health insurance -- which in other countries is often provided by the tax base at large and not counted as an education expense.
  - Herring 11mo ago
    That's half true. You have to think about cost of living, you can't just compare across the globe like that. And especially opportunity cost. In the US, teacher pay lags behind similarly educated professionals. But you're right after a certain point other factors matter more than simple $ per student. Unfortunately one of those factors is teacher pay <=> teacher quality.
    - brightball 11mo ago
      From the teacher's I've talked to, it's teacher work conditions related to student behavior that are creating more problems than anything else. Disruptive students in particular who negatively impact everyone around them but for whatever reason, are frequently not removed from the environment. It's also driving a lot of good teachers into retirement. When you see clusters of poor performance, my guess is that it's associated with regional policy creating a poor environment rather than a total absence of quality teachers.
  - krainboltgreene 11mo ago
    It's incredibly unfair that you get to just lie online or worse that you actually believe what you're saying.
    - brightball 11mo ago
      What exactly is the lie? US is 5th globally in spending per student. I actually thought it was #1 and initially said that but then corrected it after double checking.
      - krainboltgreene 11mo ago

thewebguyd 11mo ago

Because education alone in a vacuum won't fix the issues. Even if the current model was working, just continuing to invest money in it while ignoring other issues like early childhood nutrition, a good and healthy home environment, environmental impacts, etc. will just continue to fail people. Schooling alone isn't going to help the kid with a crappy home life, with poor parents who can't afford proper nutrition, and without the proper tools to develop the mindset needed to learn (because these tools were never taught by the parents, and/or they are too focused on simply surviving). We, as a society, need to stop allowing people to be in a situation where they can't focus on education because they are too focused on working and surviving.

brightball 11mo ago
Exactly correct.

krainboltgreene 11mo ago

It's so hilarious to look at 10k years of education history and be like "Nah, funding doesn't make a difference." Incredible.

brightball 11mo ago
The US already spends more per student than almost any other country (5th globally) and the outcomes are getting constantly worse. It’s not a funding problem.
- reverius42 11mo ago
  A lot of that funding in the US goes to pay teachers money they then use to pay for health insurance -- which in other countries is often provided by the tax base at large and not counted as an education expense.
- Herring 11mo ago
  That's half true. You have to think about cost of living, you can't just compare across the globe like that. And especially opportunity cost. In the US, teacher pay lags behind similarly educated professionals. But you're right after a certain point other factors matter more than simple $ per student. Unfortunately one of those factors is teacher pay <=> teacher quality.
  - brightball 11mo ago
    From the teacher's I've talked to, it's teacher work conditions related to student behavior that are creating more problems than anything else. Disruptive students in particular who negatively impact everyone around them but for whatever reason, are frequently not removed from the environment. It's also driving a lot of good teachers into retirement. When you see clusters of poor performance, my guess is that it's associated with regional policy creating a poor environment rather than a total absence of quality teachers.
- krainboltgreene 11mo ago
  It's incredibly unfair that you get to just lie online or worse that you actually believe what you're saying.
  - brightball 11mo ago
    What exactly is the lie? US is 5th globally in spending per student. I actually thought it was #1 and initially said that but then corrected it after double checking.
    - krainboltgreene 11mo ago