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It's gotten more and more shippable, especially with the latest generation (Codex 5.1, Sonnet 4.5, now Opus 4.5). My metric is "wtfs per line", and it's been de
by stavros 1y ago
It's gotten more and more shippable, especially with the latest generation (Codex 5.1, Sonnet 4.5, now Opus 4.5). My metric is "wtfs per line", and it's been decreasing rapidly.
My current preference is Codex 5.1 (Sonnet 4.5 as a close second, though it got really dumb today for "some reason"). It's been good to the point where I shipped multiple projects with it without a problem (with eg https://pine.town https://pine.town being one I made without me writing any code).
- Madmallard 1y agoIt's not really any different in my experience
- mirekrusin 1y agoStochastic parrot? Autocomplete on steroids? Fancy autocorrect? Bullshit generator? AI snake oil? Statistical mimicry? You don't hear that anymore. Feels like whole generation of skeptics evaporated.
- bigstrat2003 1y agoI certainly hold those opinions still, because the models still have yet to prove they are anything worth a person's time. I don't bother posting that because there's no way an AI hype person and I are ever going to convince each other, so what's the point? The skeptics haven't evaporated, they just aren't bothering to try to talk to you any more because they don't think there's value in it.
- mirekrusin 1y ago[flagged]
- csomar 1y agoThe earth is flat until you have evidence of the contrary. It's you who should provide that evidence. We had physics, navigation and then space shuttles that clearly showed the earth is not flat. We are yet to have a fully vibe-coded piece of software that actually works. The blog post is actually great because LLMs are very good are regurgitating pieces of code that already exist on a single prompt. Now ask them to make a few changes and suddenly the genie is back in the bottle. Something doesn't math out. You can't be both a genius and extremely dumb (retarded) at the same time. You can be, however, good at information retrieval and presenting it in a better way. That's what LLMs are and am not discounting the usefulness of that.
- psychoslave 1y ago>You can't be both a genius and extremely dumb (retarded) That’s actually a classic stereotype, someone being a genius in some area, but failing with the most basic social expectations in other area.
- Madmallard 1y agoIn the LLM's case it's both a genius and extremely dumb at coding. The same area.
- psychoslave 1y agoIt’s good at quickly producing a lot of code which is most likely going to give interesting results, and it’s completely unaware of anything including why human might want to produce code. The marketing bullshit that it’s a "thinking" and "hallucinating" is just bringing the intended confusion on the table. They are great tools for many purpose. But a GPS is not a copilot, and an LLM is not going to replace coworkers where their humanity matters.
- Madmallard 1y agoI mean is it really that interesting if it completely falls flat and permanently runs in unfulfilling circles around basically any mild complexity the problem introduces as you get further along solving it, making it really hard to not feel like you need to just do it yourself?
- pessimizer 1y agoThis is why they don't talk to you anymore. The only comparison you can make to a flat earther is that you think they're wrong, and flat earthers are also wrong. It's just dumb invective, and people don't like getting empty insults. I prefer my insults full.
- Glemkloksdjf 1y agoSo you don't even try LLMs regularly? And whats with everything else regarding ML progress like image generation, 3d world generation etc.? I vibe coded plenty of small things i haven't ever had the time for them. You don't have anything which you wanted to do and can fit in a single page html application? It can even use local storage etc.
- poulpy123 1y agostill haven't see something proving it was not autocomplete on steroids or statistical mimicry
- notachatbot123 1y agoMaybe your bubble flew away from those voices? I see them all the time, and am glad.
- Marazan 1y agoIt is all those things. The Bitter Lesson is with enough VC subsidised compute those things are useful.
- rkozik1989 1y agoThose echoes have grown louder over the past year or so. The only way you've heard less of it is if you buried your head under sand.
- deadbabe 1y agoIt is all those things. It consistently fails to make truly novel discoveries, everything it does is derived from something it trained on from somewhere. No point in arguing about it though with true believers, they will never change their minds.
- m4nu3l 1y agoI think the stochastic part is true and useless. It can be applied to anyone or anything. Yes, the models give you probabilities, but any algorithm gives you probabilities (only zero or one for deterministic ones). You can definitely view the human mind as a complex statistical model of the world. Now, that being said, do I think they are as good as a skilled human on most things? No, I don't. My trust issues have increased after the GPT-5 presentation. The very first question was to showcase its "PhD-level" knowledge, and it gave a wrong answer. It just happened to be in a field I know enough about to notice, but most didn't. So, while I think they can be considered as having some form of intelligence, I believe they have more limits than a lot of people seem to realise.
- apwell23 1y ago> Feels like whole generation of skeptics evaporated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR20FWCCjAs&list=PLd7-bHaQwnthaNDpZ32TtYONGVk95-fhF&t=140s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR20FWCCjAs&list=PLd7-bHaQwn... Ilya Sutskever this week.
- mirekrusin 1y agoHave you also looked at the rest 1h 36m or just those out of context 30s?
- apwell23 1y agohave you ever made a non annoying comment
- mirekrusin 1y agoYes, you should try to use rational thinking, it will help you with better judgements of reality.
- tempestn 1y agoHave you tried Gemini 3 yet? I haven't done any coding with it, but on other tasks I've been impressed compared to gpt 5 and Sonnet 4.5.
- stavros 1y agoOnly a tiny bit, but I should. When you say GPT-5, do you mean 5.1? Codex or regular?
- joegibbs 1y agoIt's very good but it feels kind of off-the-rails in comparison to Sonnet 4.5 - at least with Cursor it does strange things like putting its reasoning in comments that are about 15 lines long, deleting 90% of a file for no real reason (especially when context is reaching capacity) and making the same error that I just told it not to do.
- KoolKat23 1y agoimo don't waste your time for coding with Gemini 3. Perhaps worth it if it's something Claude's not helping with, as Gemini 3's reasoning is very good supposedly.
- Culonavirus 1y agoThe computer science field is going to be an absolute shitshow within 5 years (it already kinda is). On one side you'll have ADHD dog attention span zoomers trying out all these nth party model apis and tools every 5 seconds (switching them like socks, insisting the latest one is better, but ultimately producing the same slop) and on the other side you'll have all these applied math gurus squeezing out the last bits of usable AI compute on the planet... and nothing else. We used to joke that "The internet was a mistake.", making fun of the bad parts... but LLMs take the fucking cake. No intelligent beings, no sentient robots, just unlimited amounts of slop. The tech basically stopped evolving right around the point of it being good enough for spam and slop, but not going any further, there are no cures no new laws of physics or math or anything else being discovered by these things. All AI use in science I can see is based on finding patters in data, not intelligent thought (as in novel ideas). What a bust.
- gtirloni 1y agoMaybe the wtfs per line are decreasing because these models aren't saying anything interesting or original.
- yread 1y agoI feel it sometimes tries to be overly correct. Like using BigInts when working with offsets in big files in javascript. My files are big but not 53bits of mantissa big. And no file APIs work with bigints. This was from Gemini 3 thinking btw
- gghffguhvc 1y agoI just whack-a-mole these things in AGENTS.md for a while until it codes more like me.
- Sammi 1y agoCoding LLMs were almost useless for me, until my AGENTS.md crossed some threshold of completeness and now they are mostly useful. I now curate multiple different markdown files in a /docs folder, that I add to the context as needed. Any time the LLM trips on something and we figure it out, then I ask it to document it's learnings in a markdown doc, and voila it can do it correctly from then on.
- dingnuts 1y ago[dead]
- apwell23 1y ago> https://pine.town https://pine.town how many prompts did it take you to make this? how did you make sure that each new prompt didn't break some previous functionality? did you have a precise vision for it when you started or did you just go with whatever was being given to you?
- stavros 1y ago> how many prompts did it take you to make this? Probably hundreds, I'd say. > how did you make sure that each new prompt didn't break some previous functionality? For the backend, I reviewed the code and steered it to better solutions a few times (fewer than I thought I'd need to!). For the frontend, I only tested and steered, because I don't know much about React at all. This was impossible with previous models, I was really surprised that Codex didn't seem to completely break down after a few iterations! > did you have a precise vision I had a fairly precise vision, but the LLM made some good contributions. The UI aesthetic is mostly the LLM, as I'm not very good at that. The UX and functionality is almost entirely me.
- apwell23 1y agodid you not run into this problem described by ilya below https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR20FWCCjAs&list=PLd7-bHaQwnthaNDpZ32TtYONGVk95-fhF&t=140s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR20FWCCjAs&list=PLd7-bHaQwn... this has been my experience purely vibecoding. i am surprised it works well for others. btw the current production bug. how did you discover that and why it slip out. looks like site wasn't working at all when you posted that comment?
- stavros 1y ago> did you not run into this problem described by ilya below I used to run into a related issue, where fixing a bug would add more bugs, to the point where it would not be able to progress past a given codebase complexity. However, Codex is much better at not doing that. There are some cases where the model kept going back and forth between two bugs, but I discovered that that was because I had misunderstood the constraints and was telling the model to do something impossible. > how did you discover that and why it slip out. Sentry alerted me but I thought it was an edge case, and I didn't pay attention until hours later. I use a spiral allocation algorithm to allocate plots, so new users are clustered around the center. Sometimes plots are emptied (when the user isn't active), so you can have gaps in the spiral, which the algorithm tries to fill, and it's meant to go to the next plot if the current one can't be assigned. For one specific plot, however, conditions were such that the database was giving an integrity error. The exception handling code that was supposed to handle that didn't take into account that it needed to roll back before resuming, so the entire request failed, instead of resuming gracefully. Just adding an atomic() context manager fixed it. > looks like site wasn't working at all when you posted that comment? It was working for a few hundreds (thousands?) of visitors, then the allocation code hit the plot that caused the bug, and signup couldn't proceed after that.