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Doesn't google docs have fairly robust edit history? If I was a student these days I'd either record my screen of me doing my homework, or at least work in goog

by neom 11mo ago

Doesn't google docs have fairly robust edit history? If I was a student these days I'd either record my screen of me doing my homework, or at least work in google docs and share the edit history.

germinalphrase 11mo ago
Yes. When I was an educator, reviewing version history was an obvious way to clarify if/how much students plagiarized.
- respondo2134 11mo ago
  honest q: what would it look like from your perspective if someone worked in entirely different tools and then only moved their finished work to google docs at the end?
  - aprilthird2021 11mo ago
    Shouldn't do that. Can make it clear at syllabus time that this will result in the paper being considered as AI-assisted
  - germinalphrase 11mo ago
    In this case, the school was providing chromebooks so Google Docs were the default option. Using a different computer isn’t inherently a negative signal - but if we are already talking about plagiarism concerns, I’m going to start asking questions that are likely to reveal your understanding of the content. If your understanding falters, I’m going to ask you to prove your abilities in a different way/medium/etc. In general, I don’t really understand educators hyperventilating about LLM use. If you can’t tell what your students are independently capable of and are merely asking them to spit back content at you, you’re not doing a good job.
    - peebee67 11mo ago
      > In general, I don’t really understand educators hyperventilating about LLM use. If you can’t tell what your students are independently capable of and are merely asking them to spit back content at you, you’re not doing a good job. Sounds as though you do understand it.
HelloUsername 11mo ago
This still leaves many options open for plagiarism (for example a second, seperate device)
- aprilthird2021 11mo ago
  Not really, document editors save every few moments. Someone cheating with AI assistance will not have a similar saved version pattern as someone writing and editing themselves. And if one did have the same pattern, it would defeat the purpose of cheating because it would take a similar amount of time to pull off
beeflet 11mo ago
this is a really flimsy method and it would be trivial to write something that works around this.
Verdex 11mo ago
Yeah that was my thought. Although, I went a bit more paranoid with it. If it looks like AI cheating software will be a problem for my children (and currently it has not been an issue), then I'm considering recording them doing all of their homework. I suspect school admin only has so much appetite for dealing with an irate parent demanding a real time review of 10 hours of video evidence showing no AI cheating.

by neom 11mo ago

Doesn't google docs have fairly robust edit history? If I was a student these days I'd either record my screen of me doing my homework, or at least work in google docs and share the edit history.

germinalphrase 11mo ago

Yes. When I was an educator, reviewing version history was an obvious way to clarify if/how much students plagiarized.

respondo2134 11mo ago
honest q: what would it look like from your perspective if someone worked in entirely different tools and then only moved their finished work to google docs at the end?
- aprilthird2021 11mo ago
  Shouldn't do that. Can make it clear at syllabus time that this will result in the paper being considered as AI-assisted
- germinalphrase 11mo ago
  In this case, the school was providing chromebooks so Google Docs were the default option. Using a different computer isn’t inherently a negative signal - but if we are already talking about plagiarism concerns, I’m going to start asking questions that are likely to reveal your understanding of the content. If your understanding falters, I’m going to ask you to prove your abilities in a different way/medium/etc. In general, I don’t really understand educators hyperventilating about LLM use. If you can’t tell what your students are independently capable of and are merely asking them to spit back content at you, you’re not doing a good job.
  - peebee67 11mo ago
    > In general, I don’t really understand educators hyperventilating about LLM use. If you can’t tell what your students are independently capable of and are merely asking them to spit back content at you, you’re not doing a good job. Sounds as though you do understand it.

HelloUsername 11mo ago

This still leaves many options open for plagiarism (for example a second, seperate device)

aprilthird2021 11mo ago
Not really, document editors save every few moments. Someone cheating with AI assistance will not have a similar saved version pattern as someone writing and editing themselves. And if one did have the same pattern, it would defeat the purpose of cheating because it would take a similar amount of time to pull off

beeflet 11mo ago

this is a really flimsy method and it would be trivial to write something that works around this.

Verdex 11mo ago

Yeah that was my thought. Although, I went a bit more paranoid with it. If it looks like AI cheating software will be a problem for my children (and currently it has not been an issue), then I'm considering recording them doing all of their homework. I suspect school admin only has so much appetite for dealing with an irate parent demanding a real time review of 10 hours of video evidence showing no AI cheating.